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both are not common in collections, but not rare in wild. I believe Washington state doesn't allow collection of local species so I am not sure if this bob fella is collecting legally or not. pickeringii"s range is in washington and a little into canada. he might be getting them from canada but I don't know. ordinoides show up occasionally here at Petco pet stores...butthey range from washington to northern california.