[David]

Well I used to feel the same way you did. Some herps are in real trouble, Believe it or not Bullsnakes are not doing well. One of the researchers I'm working with did 4 years of telemetry work, seventy percent of the years snakes don't make it......every year. That's from many natural causes, some known some not. Some of the areas were private and some were public. I quit are local Herp society because strangers would find out about our field trips and raped some of these areas, some conservation areas and preserves. They eventually were busted out because we marked the snakes, because we had a hunch, actually more than a hunch, and went to a local swap meet and the look on their face....I can still see it. You want new genetic material for a captive husbandry project? Do what I do. Find a gravid female or stud male of the snakes you have, as long as it is not protected in some way. Hatch the eggs or sort thru the live births keep a couple. When your done let them go where you found them. After all the captive breeding I did I am more satisfied field herping{catch and release} than keeping hundreds, that's just me.....not that I won't keep 20 or 30 but I love observing them in the wild, particularly Horridus. David