[mikm]

thanks GG ... I'm not sure exactly how the scale count is done. I'll have to take a pic to do it anyway as I don't want add any undue stress at the moment. I could not find a pic of an identified ordinoides with such a thin stripe but I did see a few pics of pickeringii with the extremely thin stripe that's why I was asking ...

thanks for sharing GG ... this is such a nice forum