[bubdonna]

Thanks for the info i will try it, as for the nick name i used, Bub is my nick name & donna is my wifes first name, Bubdonna.
Salamanders seem to be a problem for me to keep alive more than 3 or 4 days? but i try to catch just what i will feed that night, as long as the area i flip rocks & logs is producing them,very weather sensitive, some days they are easy to locate others very difficult.just wonder how the nutrients are in a all fish diet for the ribbon & a salamander-worm diet for the garter? they do look healthy & fine, was worried they might not get along, but seem to be best of buds now.

thanks again
i will be posting here more now that i found this place, its great!@

bubdonna