begining breeder

[big J]

I am extremely interested in breeding my garters next year. I have pairs of eastern, blue striped, and hopefully indonesian garters.I plan on brumating them in a small fridge kept at 55*f. How should I condition the female when they emerge. How do you care for the young.

[Snaky]

It's more or less the same as for handling the adults, but smaller. So: small pieces of fish, earthworms, pieces of pinkies.... Sometime's you need to 'trick' them into eating, you can do this by cutting the earthworm into pieces (so they still move) or offering life fish in shallow water.

For the indonesian garter: I've always heard that they need to be kept warm. But I don't own them and have never looked it up, so hopefully someone else will answer that for you.

[Stefan-A]

It would make sense to me not to brumate tropical species the same way. The way to brumate them appears (I'm trying to do a bit of research as I write this) to be to shorten the light period and lower the night temperature.

I don't know if it's how it works with indonesian garters, but it would make sense to me to apply the same methods to them. If nobody else can tell you the correct way to brumate them, my suggestion is to use the same methods that are used with other tropical snakes, for example ball pythons.

[KITKAT]

To add to that...

Look at the weather records for the area where your snakes originate. Is there a cooler, rainy season? If so, what temperatures are recorded for that period of the year?

Then your brumation should mimic that temperature.

[ssssnakeluvr]

a fridge is not the best place to brumate.....a cool basement or garage is better. fridges can be humid and that can lead to skin problems that can kill your snakes (had it happen!)

[drache]

I've not checked exact climate conditions in Indonesia, but I doubt it ever gets near freezing there
I would imagine that their breeding cycles would be more tied to the rain cycles
also - they're egg laying, not live bearing, so there's that whole other issue of providing proper egg laying sites
I have a pair of them myself and will be doing more research on their native habitat and preferences

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by drache

I've not checked exact climate conditions in Indonesia, but I doubt it ever gets near freezing there
I would imagine that their breeding cycles would be more tied to the rain cycles
also - they're egg laying, not live bearing, so there's that whole other issue of providing proper egg laying sites
I have a pair of them myself and will be doing more research on their native habitat and preferences

I also heard that Indoneisians aren't actually true garters, is this right?

[Stefan-A]

Originally Posted by Elliot

I also heard that Indoneisians aren't actually true garters, is this right?

Yes. They're painted keelbacks (Xenochrophis), not garters (Thamnophis).

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Stefan-A

Yes. They're painted keelbacks (Xenochrophis), not garters (Thamnophis).

Ok, thanks!

[big J]

thanx for all the info guys I did not know that indos were egg layers one problem I don't a basement or garage any suugestions