Anyone ever cross tetrataenia with blotched ssp. (infernalis, concinnus, parietalis)

G-natrix · 10-17-2007, 02:57 PM

I would be interested to know if anyone has ever outcrossed a T.s. tetrataenia to a blotched subspecies. I suspect this is counterintuitive for most people insofar as the striped morph is desirable & probably most breeders are trying to breed blotches out of their lines, not breed them in. Nonetheless it would be an extremely timely experiment. If any of you have tets to burn, why not cross a few out to some nice blotchy infernalis or concinnus and post the results? Science would thank you.

Cheers,

G

adamanteus · 10-17-2007, 05:57 PM

It would be interesting, particularly with infernalis, but I guess tetrataenia is so hard to get (or so expensive) that few people would want to sully the line. Interesting idea though.

zooplan · 10-17-2007, 11:52 PM

These are two hybrids of ´tetrataenia and ´parietalis

one more redish

the other one more bluish
poorly to see on the bad picture
I´ve bought them around millenium.
The red one passed away few years later and the blueish one went back to the breeder to keep forward without breeding.

KITKAT · 10-19-2007, 01:37 PM

Beautiful babies, Zooplan!

That one pic makes me think of a caption!

drache · 10-19-2007, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KITKAT

Beautiful babies, Zooplan!

That one pic makes me think of a caption!

me too
and now I'm curious . . .

Bay_area · 10-19-2007, 09:10 PM

I personally against trying to hybrid snakes. With that said, their is a spot in San Mateo County that I know about where tetrataenia & infernalis both live among other species of garters. I know for a fact that those two do naturally cross breed in the wild. Nothing prettier than seeing a SF Garter in the wild!

This pic was taken by a friend of mine @ one of the few locations they can still be found

zooplan · 10-19-2007, 11:57 PM

The hybrids shown up, are produced by a kind of accident.
Most breeders here are against hybrids too.
Nice to see, that there are still a few ´tetrataenia left in the wild.
European breeders would give a hand or a leg to get one as fresh blood for the European strain.

Bay_area · 10-20-2007, 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zooplan

European breeders would give a hand or a leg to get one as fresh blood for the European strain.

Not worth going to prision for

I have Eastern Indigos & it sure would be great to have a fresh strain available to breed them too

G-natrix · 10-20-2007, 08:46 PM

Wonderful, Udo! The phenotype of those two snakes answers one or two specific questions I had. I am always appreciative of creative genetic tinkering. Good work,

G

zooplan · 10-21-2007, 03:03 AM

what penalty is set to something like catching, keeping, breeding, selling or shipping a San Franzisco Garter Snake to Europe?
Would there be any way to get a permission for that?

10-17-2007, 02:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
G-natrix Hi, I'm New Here! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5	Anyone ever cross tetrataenia with blotched ssp. (infernalis, concinnus, parietalis) I would be interested to know if anyone has ever outcrossed a T.s. tetrataenia to a blotched subspecies. I suspect this is counterintuitive for most people insofar as the striped morph is desirable & probably most breeders are trying to breed blotches out of their lines, not breed them in. Nonetheless it would be an extremely timely experiment. If any of you have tets to burn, why not cross a few out to some nice blotchy infernalis or concinnus and post the results? Science would thank you. Cheers, G

10-17-2007, 05:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 9,102	Re: Anyone ever cross tetrataenia with blotched ssp. (infernalis, concinnus, parietal It would be interesting, particularly with infernalis, but I guess tetrataenia is so hard to get (or so expensive) that few people would want to sully the line. Interesting idea though. __________________ James.

10-17-2007, 11:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
zooplan The red side of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonn Posts: 1,176	Re: Anyone ever cross tetrataenia with blotched ssp. (infernalis, concinnus, parietal These are two hybrids of ´tetrataenia and ´parietalis one more redish the other one more bluish poorly to see on the bad picture I´ve bought them around millenium. The red one passed away few years later and the blueish one went back to the breeder to keep forward without breeding. __________________ best wishes bis bald Udo www.zooplan.net Member of the EGSA

10-19-2007, 01:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
KITKAT Old and wise snake Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 919	Re: Anyone ever cross tetrataenia with blotched ssp. (infernalis, concinnus, parietal Beautiful babies, Zooplan! That one pic makes me think of a caption! __________________ KitKat "Acts of kindness should never be random."

10-19-2007, 09:10 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bay_area Subadult snake Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 277	Re: Anyone ever cross tetrataenia with blotched ssp. (infernalis, concinnus, parietal I personally against trying to hybrid snakes. With that said, their is a spot in San Mateo County that I know about where tetrataenia & infernalis both live among other species of garters. I know for a fact that those two do naturally cross breed in the wild. Nothing prettier than seeing a SF Garter in the wild! This pic was taken by a friend of mine @ one of the few locations they can still be found

10-19-2007, 11:57 PM	#7 (permalink)
zooplan The red side of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonn Posts: 1,176	Re: Anyone ever cross tetrataenia with blotched ssp. (infernalis, concinnus, parietal The hybrids shown up, are produced by a kind of accident. Most breeders here are against hybrids too. Nice to see, that there are still a few ´tetrataenia left in the wild. European breeders would give a hand or a leg to get one as fresh blood for the European strain. __________________ best wishes bis bald Udo www.zooplan.net Member of the EGSA

10-20-2007, 08:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
G-natrix Hi, I'm New Here! Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5	Re: Anyone ever cross tetrataenia with blotched ssp. (infernalis, concinnus, parietal Wonderful, Udo! The phenotype of those two snakes answers one or two specific questions I had. I am always appreciative of creative genetic tinkering. Good work, G

10-21-2007, 03:03 AM	#10 (permalink)
zooplan The red side of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonn Posts: 1,176	I´m not firm in US law... what penalty is set to something like catching, keeping, breeding, selling or shipping a San Franzisco Garter Snake to Europe? Would there be any way to get a permission for that? __________________ best wishes bis bald Udo www.zooplan.net Member of the EGSA

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