Jellybeans.. female only tank?

CrazyHedgehog · 02-10-2008, 07:56 AM

OK, found these in the tank this morning, they were fed last night cut up trout and pinkies, and at first I thought it was the trout that I had found regurgetated...but they are jellybeans..

Notice the one in the middle has a darker area, a few did so I decided to take a closer look.... now bear in mind that this is probably about 5mm so really hard to get a good pic.... but one tiny snake

Now for the really odd thing, this is a tank of females, they havent had a male in with them for over a year!!

adamanteus · 02-10-2008, 07:59 AM

Damn, what a shame, Inge. What species are they?

Lori P · 02-10-2008, 07:59 AM

OMG!!! That poor little baby... so why did mom pass these at this point??

Stefan-A · 02-10-2008, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyHedgehog

Now for the really odd thing, this is a tank of females, they havent had a male in with them for over a year!!

Well, they can retain sperm for more than four years.

I'm not sure though that they even need a male to be able to pop out jelly beans.

CrazyHedgehog · 02-10-2008, 08:18 AM

These were the red sided garters, they all seemed to produce last year (millions of them), so I thought I would give them a rest this year..(that and I still have a few of the babies from last year)

adamanteus · 02-10-2008, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefan-A

I'm not sure though that they even need a male to be able to pop out jelly beans.

I think a male would be needed to produce a well developed embryo, as featured in the picture though. Then again, if enough study was done we might find evidence of parthenogenesis. It certainly occurs in some other reptile species.

Lori P · 02-10-2008, 08:21 AM

Really?? In snakes??

adamanteus · 02-10-2008, 09:33 AM

I know it happens in the Typhlopidae. Maybe others too.
A paper presented in 'Heredity' (2002 or 2003) by Groot and Bruins, puts forward some compelling evidence for parthenogenesis in Python molurus bivittatus.
There was also a study suggesting parthenogenesis in Wandering Garter Snakes from the mid '90s by a guy named 'Schuett', or something similar.

adamanteus · 02-10-2008, 09:54 AM

I 'Googled' it (in the absence of Stefan

) and found this link.....Self-cloning snake

aSnakeLovinBabe · 02-10-2008, 10:14 AM

i read that article... really good stuff!!!

02-10-2008, 07:56 AM	#1 (permalink)
CrazyHedgehog "Fourth shed, A Success" Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 823	Jellybeans.. female only tank? OK, found these in the tank this morning, they were fed last night cut up trout and pinkies, and at first I thought it was the trout that I had found regurgetated...but they are jellybeans.. Notice the one in the middle has a darker area, a few did so I decided to take a closer look.... now bear in mind that this is probably about 5mm so really hard to get a good pic.... but one tiny snake Now for the really odd thing, this is a tank of females, they havent had a male in with them for over a year!! __________________ Inge our house is like a zoo, too many to list here!

02-10-2008, 07:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 9,102	Re: Jellybeans.. female only tank? Damn, what a shame, Inge. What species are they? __________________ James.

02-10-2008, 07:59 AM	#3 (permalink)
Lori P thamnophis puniceus Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: VA Posts: 3,445	Re: Jellybeans.. female only tank? OMG!!! That poor little baby... so why did mom pass these at this point?? __________________ Lori, New Hope Rescue-- rescuing equines and others www.newhoperescueva.com

02-10-2008, 08:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
CrazyHedgehog "Fourth shed, A Success" Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 823	Re: Jellybeans.. female only tank? These were the red sided garters, they all seemed to produce last year (millions of them), so I thought I would give them a rest this year..(that and I still have a few of the babies from last year) __________________ Inge our house is like a zoo, too many to list here!

02-10-2008, 08:21 AM	#7 (permalink)
Lori P thamnophis puniceus Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: VA Posts: 3,445	Re: Jellybeans.. female only tank? Really?? In snakes?? __________________ Lori, New Hope Rescue-- rescuing equines and others www.newhoperescueva.com

02-10-2008, 09:33 AM	#8 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 9,102	Re: Jellybeans.. female only tank? I know it happens in the Typhlopidae. Maybe others too. A paper presented in 'Heredity' (2002 or 2003) by Groot and Bruins, puts forward some compelling evidence for parthenogenesis in Python molurus bivittatus. There was also a study suggesting parthenogenesis in Wandering Garter Snakes from the mid '90s by a guy named 'Schuett', or something similar. __________________ James.

02-10-2008, 09:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 9,102	Re: Jellybeans.. female only tank? I 'Googled' it (in the absence of Stefan) and found this link.....Self-cloning snake __________________ James.

02-10-2008, 10:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
aSnakeLovinBabe The Serpentine Queen Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,357	Re: Jellybeans.. female only tank? i read that article... really good stuff!!!

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