Natrix natrix

drache · 03-02-2007, 11:21 AM

Daniel's contact Dan from Florida got back with me.
He is planning to import some Natrix natrix in spring and will keep me posted.
From what I understand from Daniel - the greater the quantity of snakes imported, the lower the per-snake-price.

Here are some links to photos of the subspecies Daniel says are most readily available:

Natrix natrix scutata
http://www.dragonsroost.dk/Snoge/img/natrix-5.jpg

Natrix natrix helvetica
Stock Photo of Grass Snake (Natrix natrix helvetica) - Search Photographs Pictures Images and Clip Art Photos - D31-271513, D31-271513.jpg

Natrix natrix persa
Natrix natrix - Wikimedia Commons

There are some other Natrix natrix on that last site

Daniel says that Natrix natrix natrix requires more paperwork and suggested N.n. scutata instead, which is very similar (a little more interesting looking actually)

Rhea

adamanteus · 03-02-2007, 03:06 PM

Rhea,

I'm not familiar with N. n. scutata, but N. n. helvetica are lovely snakes to keep, and to look at. I would warmly recommend them if you have the choice.

I always thought N. persa had full species status. You learn something new every day!

Thamnophis · 03-02-2007, 03:12 PM

It seems strange that people in te USA are allowed to keep Natrix natrix, while we (in the Netherlands) are not allowed to do this because it is a native species.
The same thing as with T. sirtalis tetrataenia, but than the other way around.

Maybe I am just jealous

If you like Natrix natrix, take a look at these pictures I made in the Czech Republic.

Flickr: Photos from Xengama01

adamanteus · 03-02-2007, 03:19 PM

Good pics!! I like the Sand Lizard (Lacerta agilis) photos, we have them in the UK, but although I have searched for years I have never seen one in the field.

Thamnophis · 03-02-2007, 03:31 PM

In the Netherlands they are also not easy to find. But when you know where they live, it seems not impossible.
In the Czech republic, on our camping for example, they were present in great numbers.

adamanteus · 03-02-2007, 03:34 PM

I know where in the UK they are supposed to be...but as I say I have searched many times for many years but never found one. I should go to the Czech Republic!

Thamnophis · 03-02-2007, 03:35 PM

Great country to go to and is cheap too.

drache · 03-02-2007, 03:59 PM

nice pictures
that looks like Natrix natrix scutata
Natrix natrix natrix doesn't have those markings at the head/neck.
Is a snowworm kind of like a blindsnake (Blindschlange)?
After all the perusing I did earlier Natrix natrix persa is visually my favourite

adamanteus · 03-02-2007, 04:04 PM

Yes, the Slow Worm is a legless lizard (Anguis fragilis). In the UK we call N. persa the "Viperine Snake", someone once decided it was trying to mimic the Adder. Can't see it myself!

drache · 03-02-2007, 05:19 PM

Isn't that one of the ones that play dead when threatened?

03-02-2007, 11:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
drache Ophiuchus rhea Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 3,881 Country:	Natrix natrix Daniel's contact Dan from Florida got back with me. He is planning to import some Natrix natrix in spring and will keep me posted. From what I understand from Daniel - the greater the quantity of snakes imported, the lower the per-snake-price. Here are some links to photos of the subspecies Daniel says are most readily available: Natrix natrix scutata http://www.dragonsroost.dk/Snoge/img/natrix-5.jpg Natrix natrix helvetica Stock Photo of Grass Snake (Natrix natrix helvetica) - Search Photographs Pictures Images and Clip Art Photos - D31-271513, D31-271513.jpg Natrix natrix persa Natrix natrix - Wikimedia Commons There are some other Natrix natrix on that last site Daniel says that Natrix natrix natrix requires more paperwork and suggested N.n. scutata instead, which is very similar (a little more interesting looking actually) Rhea

03-02-2007, 03:06 PM	#2 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 7,867 Country:	Re: Natrix natrix Rhea, I'm not familiar with N. n. scutata, but N. n. helvetica are lovely snakes to keep, and to look at. I would warmly recommend them if you have the choice. I always thought N. persa had full species status. You learn something new every day! __________________ James.

03-02-2007, 03:12 PM	#3 (permalink)
Thamnophis Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,313 Country:	Re: Natrix natrix It seems strange that people in te USA are allowed to keep Natrix natrix, while we (in the Netherlands) are not allowed to do this because it is a native species. The same thing as with T. sirtalis tetrataenia, but than the other way around. Maybe I am just jealous If you like Natrix natrix, take a look at these pictures I made in the Czech Republic. Flickr: Photos from Xengama01 __________________ Kousebandslangen.nl - Member of the EGSA It is always advisable to be a loser if you cannot become a winner. Frank Zappa

03-02-2007, 03:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 7,867 Country:	Re: Natrix natrix Good pics!! I like the Sand Lizard (Lacerta agilis) photos, we have them in the UK, but although I have searched for years I have never seen one in the field. __________________ James.

03-02-2007, 03:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
Thamnophis Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,313 Country:	Re: Natrix natrix In the Netherlands they are also not easy to find. But when you know where they live, it seems not impossible. In the Czech republic, on our camping for example, they were present in great numbers. __________________ Kousebandslangen.nl - Member of the EGSA It is always advisable to be a loser if you cannot become a winner. Frank Zappa

03-02-2007, 03:34 PM	#6 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 7,867 Country:	Re: Natrix natrix I know where in the UK they are supposed to be...but as I say I have searched many times for many years but never found one. I should go to the Czech Republic! __________________ James.

03-02-2007, 03:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
Thamnophis Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,313 Country:	Re: Natrix natrix Great country to go to and is cheap too. __________________ Kousebandslangen.nl - Member of the EGSA It is always advisable to be a loser if you cannot become a winner. Frank Zappa

03-02-2007, 03:59 PM	#8 (permalink)
drache Ophiuchus rhea Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 3,881 Country:	Re: Natrix natrix nice pictures that looks like Natrix natrix scutata Natrix natrix natrix doesn't have those markings at the head/neck. Is a snowworm kind of like a blindsnake (Blindschlange)? After all the perusing I did earlier Natrix natrix persa is visually my favourite

03-02-2007, 04:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 7,867 Country:	Re: Natrix natrix Yes, the Slow Worm is a legless lizard (Anguis fragilis). In the UK we call N. persa the "Viperine Snake", someone once decided it was trying to mimic the Adder. Can't see it myself! __________________ James.

03-02-2007, 05:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
drache Ophiuchus rhea Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 3,881 Country:	Re: Natrix natrix Isn't that one of the ones that play dead when threatened?

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