ID/Colors morph=? - Page 2

adamanteus · 07-23-2007, 12:30 PM

No, but maybe the same picture? I think aberrent colouration is not that rare in sirtalis.

Stefan-A · 07-23-2007, 12:35 PM

Should be easy to check if it's the same picture.

The snake's curled up on some dry leaves on sand or sandy soil, with the tail twisted so that the underside shows. Does it sound about right?

adamanteus · 07-23-2007, 12:38 PM

The leaves and the sand are there, but no venter showing. The pic is credited to R.D. Bartlett though. Two pics from the same series?

Stefan-A · 07-23-2007, 12:40 PM

Subcaudals show, but no venter. Could very well be from the same series.

ssssnakeluvr · 07-23-2007, 06:17 PM

that's an aberrant eastern garter, t sirtalis sirtalis.....someone on here caught it a few months ago and posted pics, they released it...... aberrant easterns aren't uncommon.

Lee · 07-23-2007, 08:04 PM

This was actually a new picture I thought, is it really just an old one?

stonyloam · 07-23-2007, 08:31 PM

Do you mean this one? I found this blue one last year (have been looking for it all this year). It has similar markings to the one in the photo. It is either an eastern or a maritime.

GarterGuy · 07-23-2007, 09:18 PM

Maritimes and Easterns look very similar, usually it's the spotting pattern that gives them away, but it's not 100% accurate. With the locality data though (the eastern most range of T.s.sirtalis), I'd have to agree with the others and say an aberrant colour of Eastern garter. Maritimes are no where even close to this range. I'd probally have to guess it's possibley an amelanistic individual. Very interesting specimen.

Roy

Thamnophis · 07-24-2007, 03:43 AM

Looks like an albino-ish normal eastern.

07-23-2007, 12:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 8,465 Country:	Re: ID/Colors morph=? No, but maybe the same picture? I think aberrent colouration is not that rare in sirtalis. __________________ James.

07-23-2007, 12:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
Stefan-A The Prince of Insufficient Light. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern Finland Posts: 5,724 Country:	Re: ID/Colors morph=? Should be easy to check if it's the same picture. The snake's curled up on some dry leaves on sand or sandy soil, with the tail twisted so that the underside shows. Does it sound about right? __________________ Ophidia in herba.

07-23-2007, 12:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 8,465 Country:	Re: ID/Colors morph=? The leaves and the sand are there, but no venter showing. The pic is credited to R.D. Bartlett though. Two pics from the same series? __________________ James.

07-23-2007, 12:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
Stefan-A The Prince of Insufficient Light. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern Finland Posts: 5,724 Country:	Re: ID/Colors morph=? Subcaudals show, but no venter. Could very well be from the same series. __________________ Ophidia in herba.

07-23-2007, 06:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
ssssnakeluvr "PM Boots For Custom Title" Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 2,213 Country:	Re: ID/Colors morph=? that's an aberrant eastern garter, t sirtalis sirtalis.....someone on here caught it a few months ago and posted pics, they released it...... aberrant easterns aren't uncommon.

07-23-2007, 08:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
Lee "Preparing For Second shed" Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 220 Country:	Re: ID/Colors morph=? This was actually a new picture I thought, is it really just an old one?

07-23-2007, 08:31 PM	#17 (permalink)
stonyloam "Third shed, A Success" Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Western NY Posts: 521 Country:	Re: ID/Colors morph=? Do you mean this one? I found this blue one last year (have been looking for it all this year). It has similar markings to the one in the photo. It is either an eastern or a maritime. __________________ Terry

07-23-2007, 09:18 PM	#18 (permalink)
GarterGuy Brother Snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lancaster,PA Posts: 1,356 Country:	Re: ID/Colors morph=? Maritimes and Easterns look very similar, usually it's the spotting pattern that gives them away, but it's not 100% accurate. With the locality data though (the eastern most range of T.s.sirtalis), I'd have to agree with the others and say an aberrant colour of Eastern garter. Maritimes are no where even close to this range. I'd probally have to guess it's possibley an amelanistic individual. Very interesting specimen. Roy __________________ *Roy* 1.1 T.s.pickeringi 0.1 T.s.concinnus 0.0.2 T.s.pallidulus

07-24-2007, 03:43 AM	#19 (permalink)
Thamnophis Dutch, bold and Thamnophis-crazy Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,333 Country:	Re: ID/Colors morph=? Looks like an albino-ish normal eastern. __________________ Kousebandslangen.nl - Member of the EGSA It is always advisable to be a loser if you cannot become a winner. Frank Zappa

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