Fitchi or Parietalis..more pics

[Josh]

what do you have?

[Thamnophis]

Reed, I think (!) it is parietalis. But what you really need to know is where the snake is coming from to determine what subspecies it is.Please take a look at my site and go to the Thamnophis sirtalis-page.Than click on this button...Than look at the pics of both subspecies and try to compare them with yours.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Originally Posted by Thamnophis

Reed, I think (!) it is parietalis. But what you really need to know is where the snake is coming from to determine what subspecies it is.Please take a look at my site and go to the Thamnophis sirtalis-page.Than click on this button...Than look at the pics of both subspecies and try to compare them with yours.

whats your website name?

[ssssnakeluvr]

well......kinda leaning towards parietalis...only sure way totell is to know where the snake came from....fitchi are from utah, idaho, washington, oregon, and california.... parietalis are from the central U.S. up into canada. If you got it from a pet store you might be out of luck finding out where it came from.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Originally Posted by ssssnakeluvr

well......kinda leaning towards parietalis...only sure way totell is to know where the snake came from....fitchi are from utah, idaho, washington, oregon, and california.... parietalis are from the central U.S. up into canada. If you got it from a pet store you might be out of luck finding out where it came from.

ya but i doubt that the pet store would sell my a snake thats illegal to sell in california (where i live) o and any1 know what thamnophis's website is called?

[ssssnakeluvr]

http://www.kousebandslangen.nl/

thats thamnophis' website.... lots of pet stores don't know any better....have dealt with that here. check with them and see if they know where the snake came from...lots of places can sell if they are brought in from out of state...for instance rubber boas are native here...one of the local stores was selling them, but had paperwork showing they were captive bred out of state....best thing to do is find out where they came from. those 2 look like either species...northern red siders are real dark with a row of red spots...check out website photos of the garter snake dens, lots of them have jsut a row of red spots, and some even have very little to no red. valley garters have bright red, varying from red spots to red spots and speckling above the spots..... I don't think we will be able to tell for sure without knowing where they came from....also, scale row counts might help, count the scale rows near the head and at midbody...there could be some variation within the subspecies..would have to look it up to see.....

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Originally Posted by ssssnakeluvr

http://www.kousebandslangen.nl/

thats thamnophis' website.... lots of pet stores don't know any better....have dealt with that here. check with them and see if they know where the snake came from...lots of places can sell if they are brought in from out of state...for instance rubber boas are native here...one of the local stores was selling them, but had paperwork showing they were captive bred out of state....best thing to do is find out where they came from. those 2 look like either species...northern red siders are real dark with a row of red spots...check out website photos of the garter snake dens, lots of them have jsut a row of red spots, and some even have very little to no red. valley garters have bright red, varying from red spots to red spots and speckling above the spots..... I don't think we will be able to tell for sure without knowing where they came from....also, scale row counts might help, count the scale rows near the head and at midbody...there could be some variation within the subspecies..would have to look it up to see.....

can u help me find they link for the red sideds pics?

[ssssnakeluvr]

The Narcisse Snake Dens in the Off-Season - gartersnake.info
May 7, 2006 (Narcisse Snake Dens) Photo Gallery by Cindy Creighton at pbase.com

here's a couple links....just did a google search....the 2nd on has a bunch of photos.

[EdgyExoticReptiles]

Originally Posted by ssssnakeluvr

The Narcisse Snake Dens in the Off-Season - gartersnake.info
May 7, 2006 (Narcisse Snake Dens) Photo Gallery by Cindy Creighton at pbase.com

here's a couple links....just did a google search....the 2nd on has a bunch of photos.

ya it looks like the ones in the mating ball except the ones i have, hve smaller bars but i think thats just cuz its smaller know where i can get a female?

[ssssnakeluvr]

I don't know of anyone with any adult females available. the males in the pics are large enough for breeding.... check with scott felzer....see if he might have one...he usually clears out some adults to make room for holdbacks.
Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters