Garter Snake Forum

Go Back   Garter Snake Forum > Garter Snakes > General Talk
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Welcome to the Garter Snake Forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content as well as create your very own Photo Gallery to share with others. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free. So please, join today and help us build the best Garter Snake community around!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 08-30-2007, 04:23 PM   #1 (permalink)
EdgyExoticReptiles
Edgy Exotic Reptiles
 
EdgyExoticReptiles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 1,256
Country:
Send a message via AIM to EdgyExoticReptiles Send a message via Yahoo to EdgyExoticReptiles
can all sub-species

of red-sided garters mate with each other and have normal babies?
__________________
Email: edgyexoticreptiles@yahoo.com
AIM: reed_kamsla
http://www.edgyexoticreptiles.com


EdgyExoticReptiles is offline   Reply With Quote
Login to remove ads
Old 08-30-2007, 04:25 PM   #2 (permalink)
adamanteus
Moderator
 
adamanteus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester).
Posts: 7,958
Country:
Send a message via MSN to adamanteus
Re: can all sub-species

There is only one sub-species of Red-Sided Garter Snake, Reed. Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis.
__________________
James.
adamanteus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2007, 06:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
KITKAT
Old and wise snake
 
KITKAT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 898
Country:
Re: can all sub-species

Quote:
Originally Posted by reedkamsla View Post
of red-sided garters mate with each other and have normal babies?
Perhaps you are mistaking "morph" with subspecies.

The red sided garter is T sirtalis parietalis.

Thus, the red sided garter IS a subspecies of the eastern garter, T sirtalis sirtalis.

The "morphs" of the red sided garter are all T sirtalis parietalis. They would be normal, albinos, anerythristic, and snow.

Since all of the "morphs" are T sirtalis parietalis, they can all be interbred without harm. The offspring of two different morphs, bred together, will probably appear to be "normals". When these "normals" are then bred back to one of the parent "morphs", a percentage of the offspring should look like the morph.
__________________
KitKat
"Acts of kindness should never be random."
KITKAT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-30-2007, 06:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
EdgyExoticReptiles
Edgy Exotic Reptiles
 
EdgyExoticReptiles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Bay Area
Posts: 1,256
Country:
Send a message via AIM to EdgyExoticReptiles Send a message via Yahoo to EdgyExoticReptiles
Re: can all sub-species

Quote:
Originally Posted by KITKAT View Post
Perhaps you are mistaking "morph" with subspecies.

The red sided garter is T sirtalis parietalis.

Thus, the red sided garter IS a subspecies of the eastern garter, T sirtalis sirtalis.

The "morphs" of the red sided garter are all T sirtalis parietalis. They would be normal, albinos, anerythristic, and snow.

Since all of the "morphs" are T sirtalis parietalis, they can all be interbred without harm. The offspring of two different morphs, bred together, will probably appear to be "normals". When these "normals" are then bred back to one of the parent "morphs", a percentage of the offspring should look like the morph.
kk.................
__________________
Email: edgyexoticreptiles@yahoo.com
AIM: reed_kamsla
http://www.edgyexoticreptiles.com


EdgyExoticReptiles is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:29 AM.


vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO
Copyright © 2006-7, Hobby Solutions Inc.