found this on kingsnake

[adamanteus]

For a long time I used to collect one pair of Natrix natrix helvetica locally each year, breed them and release both parents and offspring back into the wild. I'm curious to hear what down-side you think there is with this.

[enigma200316]

Originally Posted by adamanteus

For a long time I used to collect one pair of Natrix natrix helvetica locally each year, breed them and release both parents and offspring back into the wild. I'm curious to hear what down-side you think there is with this.

I don't see a downside as long as they are wild caught then released after having the babies, I can see some people saying you might over populate that way, but with only one or maybe a few people doing it I think it would be a great thing, specially in a place numbers may be low,but thats just me...............

[adamanteus]

That's my thinking. In areas where snakes and people coexist the snakes are (generally) somewhat persecuted. By breeding and releasing relatively small numbers, I feel I was doing my bit to redress the imbalance.

[rancor_]

Originally Posted by adamanteus

For a long time I used to collect one pair of Natrix natrix helvetica locally each year, breed them and release both parents and offspring back into the wild. I'm curious to hear what down-side you think there is with this.

Wow.
Where to start. I cant site references now, but there has been many documented cases of people like yourself introducing parasites and pathogens that decimate populations. (Turtles anyone??) I will site some at a later date as I have been consuming some beverages that make research hard to do at the moment.
Why would you do such a thing??? God complex perhaps? I know youre a mod and as I am new here, my posts can and should be taken with a grain of salt, but such practices are hardly beneficial, and usually only self gratifying.
What I have found as far as thamnophis goes is a completely different view than most other genus. Should I breed my aspidites and send them to the threatened part of their range???
Interesting discussion we have unearthed and I look forward to the responses from the learned.

[enigma200316]

I will site some at a later date as I have been consuming some beverages that make research hard to do at the moment.


thats exactly why you should not have wrote what you did..........are you flipping kidding me!!!!! then all humans that are captive bred and we all are, and we all carry parasites and some pathogens shouldn't be released into the wild then either.........were all animals and if we can reproduce with help might add why can't any other animal be given the same chance...........thats my opinion, oh and btw I've been eating a lot of chips tonight so pay no attention to my ranting...............

[rancor_]

Originally Posted by enigma200316

I will site some at a later date as I have been consuming some beverages that make research hard to do at the moment.


thats exactly why you should not have wrote what you did..........are you flipping kidding me!!!!! then all humans that are captive bred and we all are, and we all carry parasites and some pathogens shouldn't be released into the wild then either.........were all animals and if we can reproduce with help might add why can't any other animal be given the same chance...........thats my opinion, oh and btw I've been eating a lot of chips tonight so pay no attention to my ranting...............

Nope not kidding in the slightest. And chips go right to your thighs.
The drinks, just effect my concentration. But just for you, heres some Silent Research, just for you!
Think about what you feed your "captive" Only under some provisions should animals be released back into the wild. The Massasauga Recovery Team wanted to release EMRs close to an area they were removed from (windsor area/'development over hibernation sites). Although they were successful at preventing pathogen infestation, the governing bodies thought it was dangerous to release EMRs into the wild (eventhough they were collected 2 kms away
To say what I wrote is a rant is a laugh compared to what you wrote. (Reading will get ya everytime)
Disease and pestilence cant spread...can it??
Heres a another actual quote of mine...
Should I breed my aspidites and send them to the threatened part of their range???
Its required reading for rebutals....

p.s dont pack up your ball and go home.

[zooplan]

governing bodies thought: LOL
Sorry, but I can´t see any argument to assist your point of view in your quote.
You should give a comparable example with provable bad results!

[drache]

I'd see a problem, if the snakes were exposed to other snakes while in captivity
but short of that
if both the parents are from the same area and are being released into the same area, I cannot see how they would spread diseases and pathogens they didn't previously have
particularly with that short a period of captivity

[rancor_]

Originally Posted by zooplan

governing bodies thought: LOL
Sorry, but I can´t see any argument to assist your point of view in your quote.
You should give a comparable example with provable bad results!

Yep. I should. And you should think beyond what you accept. How many release programs for reptiles do you know of that are actually government sanctioned?? in this country, they release turtles, but off hand I know no snake, amphibian or lizard program.
To ask me to prove bad results is just like me asking you to prove good ones. It be pretty hard for you to know the snake you set free infected the locale wouldnt it??

I'd see a problem, if the snakes were exposed to other snakes while in captivity

And thus what I was eluding to. There are variables when bringing a wild snake into a facility with captives.
Sorry to hijack this thread, as I know the path we are on has nothing to do with the 2 snakes on kingsnake...

[zooplan]

Originally Posted by rancor_

To ask me to prove bad results is just like me asking you to prove good ones. It be pretty hard for you to know the snake you set free infected the locale wouldnt it??

of course, but how should this be proven?
All this discussion is about theories until one can give a hint to any exact scientific study.
We have release programms for Natrix tesselata, treefrogs and red bellied toads here, working quite well.