what about BOB

sschind · 10-26-2007, 06:58 PM

I really hate to bring this up again, and I truly don't want this to become another drawn out thread about our old friend Bob, but I just saw this ad on KS and thought it was pretty funny, or at least it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. My guess is that by "everyone" he doesn't mean "everyone everyone"

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LushLulu85 · 10-26-2007, 07:18 PM

basking spot of 95degrees?

zooplan · 10-26-2007, 10:36 PM

95° is near to cocking

in °C
but 95°F isn´t much better
with a basking place like that you must have a big enclosure and at least one corner thats about 70°F to enable thermoregulation.

garterking · 10-27-2007, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sschind

I really hate to bring this up again, and I truly don't want this to become another drawn out thread about our old friend Bob, but I just saw this ad on KS and thought it was pretty funny, or at least it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. My guess is that by "everyone" he doesn't mean "everyone everyone"

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It's not like "bob" had a great reputation or anything to begin with, but these subtle reminders might help the newbies out. I started a thread a while ago about "bob" and his scam like tactics, and it still appears like he hasn't changed. Thankfully there are others here who also have some puget sounds available that are way more reliable and honest than this guy will ever be. Thanks again.

mikm · 10-27-2007, 05:56 AM

It's been ,my experience that 'ill' garters gravitate towards the heat. If he keeps his animals in a warmer then normal environment he may be keeping the 'bug' at bay. Perhaps that explains why so many folks had problems with their animals when they got them. Once you got them and kept them at normal temps their immune system no longer had the extra heat necessary to keep the 'bug' under control. Just a thought ...

Of the trio I had that were ill and I treated, I lost one female. The remaining 1.1 are both very active, eat great, look great. I may breed that pair as this particular female has superior color. The 0.2 that had babies earlier this year have very good color (IMO). They have never shown any sign of illness whatsoever. They are the nicest, most friendly animals ever. I have grown attached to these two because of their personalities so while I doubt that I will breed them in the future I do not see myself parting with them. That says alot about these Pugets in general as in all of the years I have kept garters very few have I grown emotionally attached to ...

Best,

CrazyHedgehog · 10-27-2007, 05:30 PM

I have had one of these but via another seller at Hamm, and in all fairness, I have not had to treat it and it is very healthy.
After the thread last year, I kept it quarentined, and kept a close eye, but it has had no problems at all. Maybe I am just one of the lucky ones!

zooplan · 10-28-2007, 02:36 AM

Don´t forget that shipment may be a big stress to the snakes.
So diseases will expand first caused by this.

mikm · 10-28-2007, 06:44 AM

Good point ... the stress from shipping would certainly add to anything underlying. I suspect that most if not all of the Pugets originated from the same source. I have not seen anyone, anywhere claim otherwise. No one actually volunteers that info but if you asked I suspect that to be true. What is of concern is that it would seem the den(s) of these wonderful animals are being pillaged to have such a large supply of these creatures readily availaable from one source.

Best,

sschind · 10-28-2007, 07:01 AM

It is possible that the problems that occurred last year were related to an environmental issue or something not completely indicative of Bob's husbandry. As others have pointed out there are things that could have made the situation worse. Anyway, I would tend to agree with mikm. Ihope that Bob is being selective in his capture techniques and is letting some of the babies go after they WC moms give birth (I'm assuming this is how he gets the babies) This sounds like one of those snakes with a limited range and over collection, even by one person, could have detrimental effects. I see ha also has several other species of NW amphibians available as well. In my honest opinion it is people like this that Wisconsin, and more recently Texas, officials, were trying to put a stop to when they enacted laws restricting native herps.

Anyway, I have just ordered two pair of baby puget sounds from Rob and Amy (no Amy I haven't forgotten about them) and I am looking forward to getting some nice healthy CBB specimens even though I will have to wait a few years before I can breed them. That is if State laws will allow me to breed them.

flakgunner · 10-29-2007, 10:49 AM

hey,
who's Bob?

Joe

10-26-2007, 06:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
sschind Juvenile snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 156 Country:	what about BOB I really hate to bring this up again, and I truly don't want this to become another drawn out thread about our old friend Bob, but I just saw this ad on KS and thought it was pretty funny, or at least it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. My guess is that by "everyone" he doesn't mean "everyone everyone" kingsnake.com Classifieds

10-26-2007, 07:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
LushLulu85 "PM Boots For Custom Title" Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: stockport, Greater Manchester, uk Posts: 1,522 Country:	Re: what about BOB basking spot of 95degrees? __________________ Lulu 1.1.16T. M. Marcianus (Albino), Sissle & Kia and the sprogs 1.1. T. S. Tetrataenia, Clyde & Bonnie

10-26-2007, 10:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
zooplan "Fourth shed, A Success" Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonn Posts: 806 Country:	Re: what about BOB 95° is near to cocking in °C but 95°F isn´t much better with a basking place like that you must have a big enclosure and at least one corner thats about 70°F to enable thermoregulation. __________________ best wishes bis bald Udo www.zooplan.net Member of the EGSA

10-27-2007, 05:56 AM	#5 (permalink)
mikm Subadult snake Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 355 Country:	Re: what about BOB It's been ,my experience that 'ill' garters gravitate towards the heat. If he keeps his animals in a warmer then normal environment he may be keeping the 'bug' at bay. Perhaps that explains why so many folks had problems with their animals when they got them. Once you got them and kept them at normal temps their immune system no longer had the extra heat necessary to keep the 'bug' under control. Just a thought ... Of the trio I had that were ill and I treated, I lost one female. The remaining 1.1 are both very active, eat great, look great. I may breed that pair as this particular female has superior color. The 0.2 that had babies earlier this year have very good color (IMO). They have never shown any sign of illness whatsoever. They are the nicest, most friendly animals ever. I have grown attached to these two because of their personalities so while I doubt that I will breed them in the future I do not see myself parting with them. That says alot about these Pugets in general as in all of the years I have kept garters very few have I grown emotionally attached to ... Best, __________________ marian

10-27-2007, 05:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
CrazyHedgehog "Preparing For Fourth shed" Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 718 Country:	Re: what about BOB I have had one of these but via another seller at Hamm, and in all fairness, I have not had to treat it and it is very healthy. After the thread last year, I kept it quarentined, and kept a close eye, but it has had no problems at all. Maybe I am just one of the lucky ones!

10-28-2007, 02:36 AM	#7 (permalink)
zooplan "Fourth shed, A Success" Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonn Posts: 806 Country:	Re: what about BOB Don´t forget that shipment may be a big stress to the snakes. So diseases will expand first caused by this. __________________ best wishes bis bald Udo www.zooplan.net Member of the EGSA

10-28-2007, 06:44 AM	#8 (permalink)
mikm Subadult snake Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 355 Country:	Re: what about BOB Good point ... the stress from shipping would certainly add to anything underlying. I suspect that most if not all of the Pugets originated from the same source. I have not seen anyone, anywhere claim otherwise. No one actually volunteers that info but if you asked I suspect that to be true. What is of concern is that it would seem the den(s) of these wonderful animals are being pillaged to have such a large supply of these creatures readily availaable from one source. Best, __________________ marian

10-28-2007, 07:01 AM	#9 (permalink)
sschind Juvenile snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 156 Country:	Re: what about BOB It is possible that the problems that occurred last year were related to an environmental issue or something not completely indicative of Bob's husbandry. As others have pointed out there are things that could have made the situation worse. Anyway, I would tend to agree with mikm. Ihope that Bob is being selective in his capture techniques and is letting some of the babies go after they WC moms give birth (I'm assuming this is how he gets the babies) This sounds like one of those snakes with a limited range and over collection, even by one person, could have detrimental effects. I see ha also has several other species of NW amphibians available as well. In my honest opinion it is people like this that Wisconsin, and more recently Texas, officials, were trying to put a stop to when they enacted laws restricting native herps. Anyway, I have just ordered two pair of baby puget sounds from Rob and Amy (no Amy I haven't forgotten about them) and I am looking forward to getting some nice healthy CBB specimens even though I will have to wait a few years before I can breed them. That is if State laws will allow me to breed them.

10-29-2007, 10:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
flakgunner "First shed, A Success" Join Date: May 2007 Location: N.Illinois Posts: 110 Country:	Re: what about BOB hey, who's Bob? Joe

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