Identify this one - Page 2

Faunaofthenorth · 12-04-2006, 08:59 PM

I'm about 99% sure that it is an Eastern garter (thamnophis sirtalis). The reason i know this, is that i am from northern MN, and i have one exactly the same, except way bigger, and i have caught countless numbers of the same ones. It might be T. s. parietalis, but i doubt it, cause i have a true T. s. parietalis, that i caught last summer and they aren't even supposed to be in the north eastern half of MN.

Stefan-A · 02-26-2007, 12:35 PM

Sorry for bumping this old thread, but maybe some of our newer members would like to give a shot at identifying this same one.

As far as I can tell, it's pretty much identical to the male I have (you can see a bit of him in the background) as far as the markings are concerned, except that the red is reduced. Both have 19 scale rows, 7 supralabials etc., although that's of lesser importance.

adamanteus · 02-26-2007, 12:56 PM

I would say parietalis, but all the conflicting arguments have knocked my confidence!

James.

Stefan-A · 02-26-2007, 01:08 PM

Well that's 3 votes for parietalis and one "might be parietalis, but I doubt it".

Personally, I'm abstaining. I know what I would like it to be, so I'm less than objective.

adamanteus · 02-26-2007, 01:13 PM

Stefan,
I just looked at that picture full size in the gallery....that's a really good photo!
James.

ssssnakeluvr · 02-26-2007, 07:22 PM

well, i'm still leaning towards parietalis. there are a lot of easterns that have orange and red, but i've seen lots of pics of red siders from Canada and a large number of them have reduced amounts of red. nice pics too!!!!

Stefan-A · 02-26-2007, 10:26 PM

Thanks for the compliments, but I've got better pictures than that in my archives.

12-04-2006, 08:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
Faunaofthenorth Never shed Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: minnesota Posts: 26	Re: Identify this one I'm about 99% sure that it is an Eastern garter (thamnophis sirtalis). The reason i know this, is that i am from northern MN, and i have one exactly the same, except way bigger, and i have caught countless numbers of the same ones. It might be T. s. parietalis, but i doubt it, cause i have a true T. s. parietalis, that i caught last summer and they aren't even supposed to be in the north eastern half of MN.

02-26-2007, 12:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
Stefan-A The Prince of Insufficient Light. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern Finland Posts: 5,468 Country:	Re: Identify this one Sorry for bumping this old thread, but maybe some of our newer members would like to give a shot at identifying this same one. As far as I can tell, it's pretty much identical to the male I have (you can see a bit of him in the background) as far as the markings are concerned, except that the red is reduced. Both have 19 scale rows, 7 supralabials etc., although that's of lesser importance. __________________ Ophidia in herba.

02-26-2007, 12:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 8,361 Country:	Re: Identify this one I would say parietalis, but all the conflicting arguments have knocked my confidence! James.

02-26-2007, 01:08 PM	#14 (permalink)
Stefan-A The Prince of Insufficient Light. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern Finland Posts: 5,468 Country:	Re: Identify this one Well that's 3 votes for parietalis and one "might be parietalis, but I doubt it". Personally, I'm abstaining. I know what I would like it to be, so I'm less than objective. __________________ Ophidia in herba.

02-26-2007, 01:13 PM	#15 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 8,361 Country:	Re: Identify this one Stefan, I just looked at that picture full size in the gallery....that's a really good photo! James.

02-26-2007, 07:22 PM	#16 (permalink)
ssssnakeluvr "PM Boots For Custom Title" Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 2,080 Country:	Re: Identify this one well, i'm still leaning towards parietalis. there are a lot of easterns that have orange and red, but i've seen lots of pics of red siders from Canada and a large number of them have reduced amounts of red. nice pics too!!!!

02-26-2007, 10:26 PM	#17 (permalink)
Stefan-A The Prince of Insufficient Light. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern Finland Posts: 5,468 Country:	Re: Identify this one Thanks for the compliments, but I've got better pictures than that in my archives. __________________ Ophidia in herba.

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