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adamanteus · 12-04-2007, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ssssnakeluvr

Adamanteus: Scott Felzer got a melanistic wandering, all black from Montana a few years ago, we have hypermelanistic wanderings in Utah. I have also read about melanistic maritime garters on St George Island.....

Wow! I never heard of any of those. I bet you'll be the first one on the forum to get specimens!

anji1971 · 12-04-2007, 11:17 AM

Hello, and welcome to the forum! That is a very cool snake in the photos!

tikichick · 12-04-2007, 05:56 PM

Welcome! Very interesting variation on that snake.

jtvl5 · 12-04-2007, 11:17 PM

so where has everyone found black ones in the wild? I have heard of them in Ohio, Nova Scotia, Oregon, California, Ontario, Utah and Montana. Thanks everyone, here is a few more pics.

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...v/IMG_0432.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...v/IMG_0895.jpg

jt

GarterGuy · 12-05-2007, 12:37 AM

Welcome to the forum James. Wow....nice bin 'o snakes you've got there. I'd have to agree with Don, your melanistic is probably a T.e.vagrans. To be sure I'd do some scale counts. T.e.vagrans has 19-21 rows of scales and has 8 upper labials with the 6th and 7th enlarged. T.s.sirtalis has 19 scale rows and 7 upper labials. Hope this helps.

EdgyExoticReptiles · 12-05-2007, 01:21 AM

wow that is a great bin of snakes wow, where do u find all those? isnt one of those a california red-sided but u dont live in california do u?

drache · 12-05-2007, 06:47 AM

there are melanistic vagrans in our classifieds, but i doubt there are any left

Sid · 12-05-2007, 07:24 PM

Welcome to the forum, James. Great photos of an unusual speciman.

ssssnakeluvr · 12-06-2007, 03:10 PM

that's definitely a wandering....looks like the hypermelanistics here in Utah....check with Brian Eager, has photos...mine is hibernating, but I might have a photo of him. the background colors and pattern are definitely vagrans. very nice snake!!!!! I don't have any photos ....drat.. theres an ad from Brian with a photo of one.

12-04-2007, 11:17 AM	#12 (permalink)
anji1971 The Leader of the Eastern Gang Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Windsor, Ontario Posts: 2,868	Re: New To Site Hello, and welcome to the forum! That is a very cool snake in the photos! __________________ Anji

12-04-2007, 05:56 PM	#13 (permalink)
tikichick "Third shed, A Success" Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Austin, Texas - YEEHAW! Posts: 481	Re: New To Site Welcome! Very interesting variation on that snake. __________________ "Mai kolohe i ka mo' o o lele ka pali" - Do not bother lizards or you'll fall off a cliff.

12-04-2007, 11:17 PM	#14 (permalink)
jtvl5 Hi, I'm New Here! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Helena, MT Posts: 3	Re: New To Site so where has everyone found black ones in the wild? I have heard of them in Ohio, Nova Scotia, Oregon, California, Ontario, Utah and Montana. Thanks everyone, here is a few more pics. http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...v/IMG_0432.jpg http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...v/IMG_0895.jpg jt

12-05-2007, 12:37 AM	#15 (permalink)
GarterGuy Brother Snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lancaster,PA Posts: 1,356	Re: New To Site Welcome to the forum James. Wow....nice bin 'o snakes you've got there. I'd have to agree with Don, your melanistic is probably a T.e.vagrans. To be sure I'd do some scale counts. T.e.vagrans has 19-21 rows of scales and has 8 upper labials with the 6th and 7th enlarged. T.s.sirtalis has 19 scale rows and 7 upper labials. Hope this helps. __________________ *Roy* 1.1 T.s.pickeringi 0.1 T.s.concinnus 0.0.2 T.s.pallidulus

12-05-2007, 01:21 AM	#16 (permalink)
EdgyExoticReptiles Edgy Exotic Reptiles Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,384	Re: New To Site wow that is a great bin of snakes wow, where do u find all those? isnt one of those a california red-sided but u dont live in california do u? __________________ Email:reed@edgyexoticreptiles.com AIM: reed_kamsla http://www.edgyexoticreptiles.com

12-05-2007, 06:47 AM	#17 (permalink)
drache Ophiuchus rhea Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 4,852	Re: New To Site there are melanistic vagrans in our classifieds, but i doubt there are any left __________________ rhea "Life is just one damn thing after another." Mark Twain

12-05-2007, 07:24 PM	#18 (permalink)
Sid Thamnophis Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,967	Re: New To Site Welcome to the forum, James. Great photos of an unusual speciman. __________________ Sid 9.14 T. s sirtalis, 2.2. T. ordinoides, 1.1 T. e vagrans, 1.1 T. s parietalis, 1.0 T. s sackenii- Peninsular Ribbon

12-06-2007, 03:10 PM	#19 (permalink)
ssssnakeluvr Mr Thamnophis Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 2,422	Re: New To Site that's definitely a wandering....looks like the hypermelanistics here in Utah....check with Brian Eager, has photos...mine is hibernating, but I might have a photo of him. the background colors and pattern are definitely vagrans. very nice snake!!!!! I don't have any photos ....drat.. theres an ad from Brian with a photo of one. __________________ Don www.donsgartersnakes.net

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