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12-04-2007, 08:08 AM
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12-04-2007, 04:56 PM
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Welcome! Very interesting variation on that snake.
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12-04-2007, 10:17 PM
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so where has everyone found black ones in the wild? I have heard of them in Ohio, Nova Scotia, Oregon, California, Ontario, Utah and Montana. Thanks everyone, here is a few more pics.
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...v/IMG_0432.jpg http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...v/IMG_0895.jpg jt |
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12-04-2007, 11:37 PM
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Welcome to the forum James. Wow....nice bin 'o snakes you've got there. I'd have to agree with Don, your melanistic is probably a T.e.vagrans. To be sure I'd do some scale counts. T.e.vagrans has 19-21 rows of scales and has 8 upper labials with the 6th and 7th enlarged. T.s.sirtalis has 19 scale rows and 7 upper labials. Hope this helps.
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12-05-2007, 12:21 AM
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wow that is a great bin of snakes wow, where do u find all those? isnt one of those a california red-sided but u dont live in california do u?
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12-05-2007, 06:24 PM
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Welcome to the forum, James. Great photos of an unusual speciman.
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12-06-2007, 02:10 PM
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that's definitely a wandering....looks like the hypermelanistics here in Utah....check with Brian Eager, has photos...mine is hibernating, but I might have a photo of him. the background colors and pattern are definitely vagrans. very nice snake!!!!! I don't have any photos ....drat.. theres an ad from Brian with a photo of one.
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