ID without picture ???

sschind · 12-18-2007, 06:51 PM

OK, this probably won't work but I am going to give it a shot. I was at my wholesalers today looking at a very nice trio of Oregon red spots that he won't sell me and he showed me something else that came in with them. The snake was about 18-24" long. It had keeled scales It was a solid uniform brown with a single rusty orange red stripe running down the entire length of its back. I didn't ask but they were were WC so I am assuming that this one was caught in the same area as the red spots. I didn't have my camera and I don't know if he has one or not. otold one of his employees about this site so he said he was going to try to get a picture of it and post it.

I fugured that since you people were so good at this you might not need the picture. So how about it. Anyon from the Northwest have any ideas. All my field guides are eastern so I haven't had a chance to check them out yet.

thanks

Steve

Stefan-A · 12-18-2007, 06:58 PM

I bet it's an ordinoides.

The species has a lot of color variation, even for a garter. I made a collage of 12 different naturally occurring morphs for a powerpoint presentation last year and there were still plenty that I couldn't find room for. One of them was uniform brown, but with a single red stripe.

Sid · 12-18-2007, 08:34 PM

Even without a photo I'm betting with Stefan on this. North Western.

Odie · 12-18-2007, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sid

Even without a photo I'm betting with Stefan on this. North Western.

Sounds about right to me

Snaky · 12-19-2007, 02:12 AM

I will let this to the pro's

sschind · 12-19-2007, 09:23 AM

Yeah, I checked out an Audobon guide book and figured that is what it was. The picture in the book showed the snake with two lateral stripes as well as the dorsal one and the color was a bit off but I figured it was a variation.

Thanks everyone, I knew I could count on you.

adamanteus · 12-19-2007, 12:35 PM

A bit late, I know.... but I thought T. ordinoides before I finished reading the post!

Odie · 12-21-2007, 09:26 PM

Still want/need a pic

sschind · 12-22-2007, 08:04 AM

I'll work on it.

enigma200316 · 12-22-2007, 09:13 AM

pics are the law here so get'em up asap............lol

12-18-2007, 06:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
sschind Juvenile snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 167 Country:	ID without picture ??? OK, this probably won't work but I am going to give it a shot. I was at my wholesalers today looking at a very nice trio of Oregon red spots that he won't sell me and he showed me something else that came in with them. The snake was about 18-24" long. It had keeled scales It was a solid uniform brown with a single rusty orange red stripe running down the entire length of its back. I didn't ask but they were were WC so I am assuming that this one was caught in the same area as the red spots. I didn't have my camera and I don't know if he has one or not. otold one of his employees about this site so he said he was going to try to get a picture of it and post it. I fugured that since you people were so good at this you might not need the picture. So how about it. Anyon from the Northwest have any ideas. All my field guides are eastern so I haven't had a chance to check them out yet. thanks Steve

12-18-2007, 06:58 PM	#2 (permalink)
Stefan-A The Prince of Insufficient Light. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern Finland Posts: 4,801 Country:	Re: ID without picture ??? I bet it's an ordinoides. The species has a lot of color variation, even for a garter. I made a collage of 12 different naturally occurring morphs for a powerpoint presentation last year and there were still plenty that I couldn't find room for. One of them was uniform brown, but with a single red stripe. __________________ Natura non contristatur

12-18-2007, 08:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
Sid Thamnophis Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,595 Country:	Re: ID without picture ??? Even without a photo I'm betting with Stefan on this. North Western. __________________ Sid 6.7 T. s sirtalis- Eastern Garter 0.1.5 T. s pinkeringii- Puget 1.1 T. e vagrans- Wandering Garter 1.0 T. s sackenii- Peninsular Ribbon

12-19-2007, 02:12 AM	#5 (permalink)
Snaky "PM Boots For Custom Title" Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,593 Country:	Re: ID without picture ??? I will let this to the pro's __________________ Greetz, Hans Fear can hold you prisoner. Hope can set you free. -The Shawshank Redemption- www.kousebandslangen.nl

12-19-2007, 09:23 AM	#6 (permalink)
sschind Juvenile snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 167 Country:	Re: ID without picture ??? Yeah, I checked out an Audobon guide book and figured that is what it was. The picture in the book showed the snake with two lateral stripes as well as the dorsal one and the color was a bit off but I figured it was a variation. Thanks everyone, I knew I could count on you.

12-19-2007, 12:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 7,867 Country:	Re: ID without picture ??? A bit late, I know.... but I thought T. ordinoides before I finished reading the post! __________________ James.

12-21-2007, 09:26 PM	#8 (permalink)
Odie "Third shed, A Success" Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 513 Country:	Re: ID without picture ??? Still want/need a pic

12-22-2007, 08:04 AM	#9 (permalink)
sschind Juvenile snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: SE Wisconsin Posts: 167 Country:	Re: ID without picture ??? I'll work on it.

12-22-2007, 09:13 AM	#10 (permalink)
enigma200316 Basilisk (The King of all Serpents) Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: northwestern, PA Posts: 1,880 Country:	Re: ID without picture ??? pics are the law here so get'em up asap............lol __________________ Justin 1.1 similis 0.0.1 parietalis 1.0 sirtalis

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