The Very First of Her Kind. - Page 3

EdgyExoticReptiles · 01-16-2008, 07:27 PM

super hypo!! woo cant wait, possibly lead to hybinos too

Sid · 01-17-2008, 03:31 AM

Totally understand your excitement over the speciman you have. If I'm ever fortunate enough to find one like it I'll probably do cart wheels.

GarterGuy · 01-17-2008, 08:13 AM

Hmmmmm....very interesting...they're lightening up as they get older? Wonder if they're something else then a hypo? I would have thought that a hypo would have started out light ( I may be wrong, not real great with all the different "morphs" and how they express themselves in garters). Definitely a cool find anyway you look at it. Can't wait to see more pics of the babies and see how they're developing.

Serpentine99 · 01-17-2008, 01:45 PM

nice snake, makes me want to go and try and find a rare garter right now

theres over 2 inches of snow on the ground so im thinking my chances of finding anything are pretty slim right now

aSnakeLovinBabe · 01-17-2008, 04:41 PM

Well the standard hypomelanistic gene as seen in most reptiles is simple recessive. That means they are born looking hypo and they stay that way. If mated with another hypo they will produce more that look exactly like them. Now if this gene is something else, something more complex, it may not be hypomelanism. Maybe something like a pastel? I know in BP's, when you breed two pastels you can produce super's.

adamanteus · 01-17-2008, 04:46 PM

I must confess, Shannon, my knowledge of genetics is patchy to say the least. I've never been a great fan of the artificially produced or enhanced morphs you see in certain snakes, especially Corns.
But there's no denying you've found something very special there, I wish you all the success in the world with it.... looking forward to seeing the results.

aSnakeLovinBabe · 01-18-2008, 09:57 AM

thanks very much

I will definately continue to use this site and keep you guys filled in on this breeding project. at only 19 i live many herper's ultimate dream to pioneer a new color morph. I am a little confused as to how I got so lucky.

snakeman · 01-18-2008, 04:41 PM

If you go by the scale counts that is not a sirtilis.It has 8 supra labials.Maybe it has mutant scales too.You never know.If fish and game bugs you.Tell them to do the scale count.

Stefan-A · 01-18-2008, 04:48 PM

One problem with the supralabial scale count, is that it's not absolute. Sirtalis usually has 7, but it can have 8 as well. You probably also know that the scale count isn't necessarily the same on both sides, either.

adamanteus · 01-18-2008, 04:57 PM

If you read some of Shannons' earlier posts regarding this snake, you will see that that upper labials are unusually (but not completely) divided, as can happen sometimes. I think she is correct in her identification of this snake.

01-16-2008, 07:27 PM	#21 (permalink)
EdgyExoticReptiles Edgy Exotic Reptiles Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,263 Country:	Re: The Very First of Her Kind. super hypo!! woo cant wait, possibly lead to hybinos too __________________ Email: edgyexoticreptiles@yahoo.com AIM: reed_kamsla http://www.edgyexoticreptiles.com

01-17-2008, 03:31 AM	#22 (permalink)
Sid Thamnophis Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,639 Country:	Re: The Very First of Her Kind. Totally understand your excitement over the speciman you have. If I'm ever fortunate enough to find one like it I'll probably do cart wheels. __________________ Sid 6.7 T. s sirtalis- Eastern Garter 0.1.5 T. s pinkeringii- Puget 1.1 T. e vagrans- Wandering Garter 1.0 T. s sackenii- Peninsular Ribbon

01-17-2008, 08:13 AM	#23 (permalink)
GarterGuy Brother Snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lancaster,PA Posts: 1,356 Country:	Re: The Very First of Her Kind. Hmmmmm....very interesting...they're lightening up as they get older? Wonder if they're something else then a hypo? I would have thought that a hypo would have started out light ( I may be wrong, not real great with all the different "morphs" and how they express themselves in garters). Definitely a cool find anyway you look at it. Can't wait to see more pics of the babies and see how they're developing. __________________ *Roy* 1.1 T.s.pickeringi 0.1 T.s.concinnus 0.0.2 T.s.pallidulus

01-17-2008, 01:45 PM	#24 (permalink)
Serpentine99 Subadult snake Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Chester County, PA Posts: 303 Country:	Re: The Very First of Her Kind. nice snake, makes me want to go and try and find a rare garter right nowtheres over 2 inches of snow on the ground so im thinking my chances of finding anything are pretty slim right now __________________ Quadruple Sport Enthusiast Wrestling Track Soccer Cross Country

01-17-2008, 04:41 PM	#25 (permalink)
aSnakeLovinBabe Old and wise snake Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 856 Country:	Re: The Very First of Her Kind. Well the standard hypomelanistic gene as seen in most reptiles is simple recessive. That means they are born looking hypo and they stay that way. If mated with another hypo they will produce more that look exactly like them. Now if this gene is something else, something more complex, it may not be hypomelanism. Maybe something like a pastel? I know in BP's, when you breed two pastels you can produce super's.

01-17-2008, 04:46 PM	#26 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 8,010 Country:	Re: The Very First of Her Kind. I must confess, Shannon, my knowledge of genetics is patchy to say the least. I've never been a great fan of the artificially produced or enhanced morphs you see in certain snakes, especially Corns. But there's no denying you've found something very special there, I wish you all the success in the world with it.... looking forward to seeing the results. __________________ James.

01-18-2008, 09:57 AM	#27 (permalink)
aSnakeLovinBabe Old and wise snake Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 856 Country:	Re: The Very First of Her Kind. thanks very much I will definately continue to use this site and keep you guys filled in on this breeding project. at only 19 i live many herper's ultimate dream to pioneer a new color morph. I am a little confused as to how I got so lucky.

01-18-2008, 04:41 PM	#28 (permalink)
snakeman Juvenile snake Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: PA Posts: 128	Re: The Very First of Her Kind. If you go by the scale counts that is not a sirtilis.It has 8 supra labials.Maybe it has mutant scales too.You never know.If fish and game bugs you.Tell them to do the scale count.

01-18-2008, 04:48 PM	#29 (permalink)
Stefan-A The Prince of Insufficient Light. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern Finland Posts: 5,064 Country:	Re: The Very First of Her Kind. One problem with the supralabial scale count, is that it's not absolute. Sirtalis usually has 7, but it can have 8 as well. You probably also know that the scale count isn't necessarily the same on both sides, either. __________________ No cutesy.

01-18-2008, 04:57 PM	#30 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 8,010 Country:	Re: The Very First of Her Kind. If you read some of Shannons' earlier posts regarding this snake, you will see that that upper labials are unusually (but not completely) divided, as can happen sometimes. I think she is correct in her identification of this snake. __________________ James.

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