James look what jade's getting

[brain]

It does to me the wanta be owner

[Rachel.dopey]

i'm getting all confused now

[adamanteus]

infernalis.... photo by Alan Francis.

[gregmonsta]

‘infernali” Blue on the body and head.
“concinnus” Orange on the body and head.

Do we agree?

My concinnus are special ... still ... I'm going by the second picture in the first post and because Alan Francis would not sell concinnus as infernalis

[adamanteus]

concinnus.... photo by Alan Francis.

[gregmonsta]

... you can see the ventral stripes on our suspects infernalis.

[infernalis]

It does to me the wanta be owner

Michael, Get with Scott when the snow melts...

Alan is in the UK and it would be very costly if even possible to get a garter snake shipped overseas.

He can sell you an Infernalis, but he does not work with the red spotted yet. (Concinnus)

I had an infernalis, it passed away. Getting at least one more next spring.

Have seen several Concinnus offered on KS lately, but they were over priced and unattractive.

[Stefan-A]

Are we having fun yet? The red around the head and neck, and the dorsal stripe point towards concinnus in my very humble opinion. Then again, the pattern and the presence and colour of the lateral stripe and the colour of the belly seems to point towards infernalis. Again, this is just my opinion. I have been wrong about things like this before.

Frankly, it's no wonder that Rossman et al. wanted to merge certain infernalis populations with concinnus.

[gregmonsta]

inferinnus????

[brain]

Michael, Get with Scott when the snow melts...

Alan is in the UK and it would be very costly if even possible to get a garter snake shipped overseas.

He can sell you an Infernalis, but he does not work with the red spotted yet. (Concinnus)

I had an infernalis, it passed away. Getting at least one more next spring.

Have seen several Concinnus offered on KS lately, but they were over priced and unattractive.

Ty This is where i was going in the first place. Yes I seen on KS what was offered and didn't care for the look.
I’m to much of a purest. Never did care for the morphs (although pretty) always wanted to have the little critters as in nature.