What species is my garter?

Lee · 02-14-2007, 08:31 PM

Had him 2 years, never found out what he is.. Pictures:

Blacsmiff · 02-14-2007, 10:26 PM

Hmm. Did you catch it? If so where? looks like it's an Eastern. Or maybe a Wandering Garter. I have an Eastern Gartersnake with green coloration like the snake in those pictures.

Daniel · 02-15-2007, 03:06 AM

Hey Lee,

looks like a Thamnophis elegans vagrans to me. Especially the two rows of small black dots on either side of the back and the relativly big head are typically for those snakes.

Best wishes,

Daniel

ssssnakeluvr · 02-15-2007, 10:33 AM

definitely looks like a wandering garter, thamnophis elegans vagrans. Got tons of them here where I live! Nice snakes too, have quite a variation in there patterns too...

GarterGuy · 02-15-2007, 11:03 PM

I'd have to guess T.e.vagrans as well....but....I'd do some scale counting just to be sure (everyone knows how much I love to count scales!

). From what seperates T.elegans from T.sirtalis is....number of upper labials; T.elegans has 8 with number 6 and 7 enlarged. Also, the internasals are not pointed at the front. It's hard to count the labials in the pic, but the back ones do look enlarged....and the second pic really looks like the colour pattern for T.e.vagrans. Is it a wild caught snake and if so, from where?....that'd help in the ID.
Roy

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Lee "Preparing For Second shed" Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 220 Country:	What species is my garter? Had him 2 years, never found out what he is.. Pictures:

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Blacsmiff Never shed Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 26	Re: What species is my garter? Hmm. Did you catch it? If so where? looks like it's an Eastern. Or maybe a Wandering Garter. I have an Eastern Gartersnake with green coloration like the snake in those pictures.

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Daniel "Preparing For First shed" Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Germany/Hamburg Posts: 69 Country:	Re: What species is my garter? Hey Lee, looks like a Thamnophis elegans vagrans to me. Especially the two rows of small black dots on either side of the back and the relativly big head are typically for those snakes. Best wishes, Daniel __________________ webmaster of http://www.gartersnake.de member of the European Garter Snake Association (EGSA) http://www.egsa.de

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ssssnakeluvr "PM Boots For Custom Title" Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 1,478 Country:	Re: What species is my garter? definitely looks like a wandering garter, thamnophis elegans vagrans. Got tons of them here where I live! Nice snakes too, have quite a variation in there patterns too...

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GarterGuy Brother Snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lancaster,PA Posts: 1,355 Country:	Re: What species is my garter? I'd have to guess T.e.vagrans as well....but....I'd do some scale counting just to be sure (everyone knows how much I love to count scales! ). From what seperates T.elegans from T.sirtalis is....number of upper labials; T.elegans has 8 with number 6 and 7 enlarged. Also, the internasals are not pointed at the front. It's hard to count the labials in the pic, but the back ones do look enlarged....and the second pic really looks like the colour pattern for T.e.vagrans. Is it a wild caught snake and if so, from where?....that'd help in the ID. Roy __________________ *Roy* 1.1 T.s.pickeringi 0.1 T.s.concinnus 0.0.2 T.s.pallidulus

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