Buyer beware of "bob"

garterking · 02-21-2007, 08:37 PM

I already posted under another post, but I thought this was important enough that I should start a new thread.

"bob" is back on http://kingsnake.com advertising his cool blue garters again. For those that aren't aware, he has a history of selling sick and unhealthy snakes which is a shame becouse the snakes he does sell are some of the most beautiful around. This is just a warning for anyone considering buying from him, check out the following thread just so you know what it is exactly that you are getting into. PUGET Update (Vet Visit & more ;))

Elliot · 02-22-2007, 03:23 PM

Thanks for the heads up.

abcat1993 · 02-22-2007, 03:57 PM

Has anybody else talked to "bob"? Is that his real name or just his login name?

Blacsmiff · 02-22-2007, 10:12 PM

Can anybody post a picture of "bob's" snakes? I like to see that coloration.

KITKAT · 02-22-2007, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blacsmiff

Can anybody post a picture of "bob's" snakes? I like to see that coloration.

Click here:

Scale count

Scale count

krystalirelan@southslope. · 04-06-2007, 08:35 PM

as a mom of a 12year old daughter who hates to see anything suffer, is buying these sick snakes a bad thing? with proper nutrition and care can the bounce back?? I realize the risk of buying them but if one survives is it worth it? OR if we don't buy does the guy go out of business and all is well? what about the snakes he currently has? I'm not a pyryah(is that the correct word?) but i have a deaf and blind cat, a dwarfed dog, a 3 legged iguana, a crooked snaked and a 12 year old child that spends every thursday and everyother weekend here, so i'll say sucker is a good word, if you think you can help is it ok?

Cazador · 04-06-2007, 09:07 PM

I don't like to make recommendations for whether or not other people should buy from someone else, but there is plenty of information about the conditions of these snakes for you to make an educated and informed decision. I know that some of these snakes can be saved with proper treatment, and Kitkat has actually gotten lucky and not noticed any ill effects at all. You should also factor in the cost of vet bills (Vet Bills) before making a decision. To give them the best chance of surviving, I'd take the snake(s) and the first fecal sample(s) to a vet right away for diagnosis and treatment. Only you can weigh the impact that a dead snake would have on your 12-year old.

On the other hand, I've been in contact with Scott Felzer, and he's bred and is expecting at least one litter of these blue snakes in about 1.5 months. He's selling the babies for $40 each. Hope this has been helpful.

Rick

Stefan-A · 04-06-2007, 09:13 PM

I'm not saying you shouldn't buy dwarfed dogs or crooked snakes etc., but don't buy them from the people who caused those problems.

The last few years it has been sort of fad here in Finland to buy mistreated or ownerless dogs from Estonian animal rescue centers. Nothing wrong with that, giving these animals a home is definitely a good thing. But in this case, it has (believe it or not) actually created a market for mistreated dogs. Somebody figured out that those crazy Finns pay good money for damaged dogs. They are even prepared to pay more for mistreated ones than for animals raised properly or even in "puppy factories".

I'm ranting again, sorry. Haven't gotten more than a couple of hours of sleep and my back is killing me.

Snaky · 04-07-2007, 03:52 PM

For me the vet bills are not the main thing, if a vet visit is needed, then so be it.

For me there are some other risks:
-You endanger the rest of your collection if you're not carefull by buying sick/mistreated/... animals. (One of the good reasons for isolation

)
-You'll be helping the persons selling sick/mistreated/... animals and they won't stop if people will keep on buying from them.

Most of the time there are other persons who do treat there animals good. So why take a risk?

KITKAT · 04-10-2007, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cazador

... and Kitkat has actually gotten lucky and not noticed any ill effects at all.

And while I did get lucky, I will also note that I gave flagyl during the first month that I had them, and also did a frontline treatment against mites... both as preventive measures... but perhaps these two factors combined to save me those troubles.

In addition, when I got my snakes from Bob, they were adults, because he had sold all the babies.

02-21-2007, 08:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
garterking "First shed, A Success" Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Windsor, Ontario Posts: 113 Country:	Buyer beware of "bob" I already posted under another post, but I thought this was important enough that I should start a new thread. "bob" is back on http://kingsnake.com advertising his cool blue garters again. For those that aren't aware, he has a history of selling sick and unhealthy snakes which is a shame becouse the snakes he does sell are some of the most beautiful around. This is just a warning for anyone considering buying from him, check out the following thread just so you know what it is exactly that you are getting into. PUGET Update (Vet Visit & more ;))

02-22-2007, 03:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Elliot "PM Boots For Custom Title" Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Missouri City, TX Posts: 1,157 Country:	Re: Buyer beware of "bob" Thanks for the heads up. __________________ 1.1.1! T.p.orarius Gulf Coast Ribbon 1.0 T.e.vagrans Wandering Garter 0.0.1 T.s.pallidulus Maritime Garter Shine on you crazy diamond

02-22-2007, 03:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
abcat1993 Old and wise snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North of Chicago IL, US Posts: 867 Country:	Re: Buyer beware of "bob" Has anybody else talked to "bob"? Is that his real name or just his login name? __________________ 0.1 Jack Russell Terrier 1.0 rough skinned newt 1.0.0 eastern garter http://www.winnetka36.org/ci/ci_name.htm

02-22-2007, 10:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Blacsmiff Never shed Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 31	Re: Buyer beware of "bob" Can anybody post a picture of "bob's" snakes? I like to see that coloration.

04-06-2007, 08:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
krystalirelan@southslope. "First shed In Progress" Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Iowa Posts: 96 Country:	Re: Buyer beware of "bob" as a mom of a 12year old daughter who hates to see anything suffer, is buying these sick snakes a bad thing? with proper nutrition and care can the bounce back?? I realize the risk of buying them but if one survives is it worth it? OR if we don't buy does the guy go out of business and all is well? what about the snakes he currently has? I'm not a pyryah(is that the correct word?) but i have a deaf and blind cat, a dwarfed dog, a 3 legged iguana, a crooked snaked and a 12 year old child that spends every thursday and everyother weekend here, so i'll say sucker is a good word, if you think you can help is it ok? __________________ Krystal

04-06-2007, 09:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
Cazador Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alaska, USA Posts: 1,609 Country:	Re: Buyer beware of "bob" I don't like to make recommendations for whether or not other people should buy from someone else, but there is plenty of information about the conditions of these snakes for you to make an educated and informed decision. I know that some of these snakes can be saved with proper treatment, and Kitkat has actually gotten lucky and not noticed any ill effects at all. You should also factor in the cost of vet bills (Vet Bills) before making a decision. To give them the best chance of surviving, I'd take the snake(s) and the first fecal sample(s) to a vet right away for diagnosis and treatment. Only you can weigh the impact that a dead snake would have on your 12-year old. On the other hand, I've been in contact with Scott Felzer, and he's bred and is expecting at least one litter of these blue snakes in about 1.5 months. He's selling the babies for $40 each. Hope this has been helpful. Rick

04-06-2007, 09:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
Stefan-A The Prince of Insufficient Light. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern Finland Posts: 5,710 Country:	Re: Buyer beware of "bob" I'm not saying you shouldn't buy dwarfed dogs or crooked snakes etc., but don't buy them from the people who caused those problems. The last few years it has been sort of fad here in Finland to buy mistreated or ownerless dogs from Estonian animal rescue centers. Nothing wrong with that, giving these animals a home is definitely a good thing. But in this case, it has (believe it or not) actually created a market for mistreated dogs. Somebody figured out that those crazy Finns pay good money for damaged dogs. They are even prepared to pay more for mistreated ones than for animals raised properly or even in "puppy factories". I'm ranting again, sorry. Haven't gotten more than a couple of hours of sleep and my back is killing me. __________________ Ophidia in herba.

04-07-2007, 03:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
Snaky Truieneer, e ras apoat Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,774 Country:	Re: Buyer beware of "bob" For me the vet bills are not the main thing, if a vet visit is needed, then so be it. For me there are some other risks: -You endanger the rest of your collection if you're not carefull by buying sick/mistreated/... animals. (One of the good reasons for isolation ) -You'll be helping the persons selling sick/mistreated/... animals and they won't stop if people will keep on buying from them. Most of the time there are other persons who do treat there animals good. So why take a risk?

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