what species do you think this is?

Hilde · 08-25-2006, 06:42 AM

My little snake. Does anyone have a suggestion? I think maybe it's a T. s. parietalis, but I'm not sure

ssssnakeluvr · 08-25-2006, 08:52 AM

looks like a parietalis to me also.

Thamnophis · 08-25-2006, 07:19 PM

I´m quite sure it is e parietalis.

chloe · 08-29-2006, 01:32 PM

I have an adult male and female like yours and the female gave birth to 2 with red spots and 2 with out. So i am confused as to whether they are parietalis or a red variation of sirtalis sirtalis. Different web sites say different things.

Thamnophis · 08-29-2006, 05:04 PM

My female T. sirtalis sirtalis has some red on her sides, but that is only visible when she has eaten.

I think a serious problem with the finding of which subspecies you have is that there are may intergrades "on the market" between different subspecies. The genepool has been "polluted".
That is a good reason to try and keep the species and subspecies as pure as possible.

On the other side... in the wild there are also intergrades between subspecies. And in the wild there are also T. s. sirtalis with red on there sides.

08-25-2006, 06:42 AM	#1 (permalink)
Hilde Never shed Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 30 Country:	what species do you think this is? My little snake. Does anyone have a suggestion? I think maybe it's a T. s. parietalis, but I'm not sure

08-25-2006, 08:52 AM	#2 (permalink)
ssssnakeluvr "PM Boots For Custom Title" Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 1,891 Country:	Re: what species do you think this is? looks like a parietalis to me also.

08-25-2006, 07:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
Thamnophis Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,313 Country:	Re: what species do you think this is? I´m quite sure it is e parietalis. __________________ Kousebandslangen.nl - Member of the EGSA It is always advisable to be a loser if you cannot become a winner. Frank Zappa

08-29-2006, 01:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
chloe Juvenile snake Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: N. Wales Posts: 140 Country:	Re: what species do you think this is? I have an adult male and female like yours and the female gave birth to 2 with red spots and 2 with out. So i am confused as to whether they are parietalis or a red variation of sirtalis sirtalis. Different web sites say different things.

08-29-2006, 05:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
Thamnophis Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,313 Country:	Re: what species do you think this is? My female T. sirtalis sirtalis has some red on her sides, but that is only visible when she has eaten. I think a serious problem with the finding of which subspecies you have is that there are may intergrades "on the market" between different subspecies. The genepool has been "polluted". That is a good reason to try and keep the species and subspecies as pure as possible. On the other side... in the wild there are also intergrades between subspecies. And in the wild there are also T. s. sirtalis with red on there sides. __________________ Kousebandslangen.nl - Member of the EGSA It is always advisable to be a loser if you cannot become a winner. Frank Zappa

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