Wild Flames in Manitoba!

[ssssnakeluvr]

I have to agree with Tom on this.... definitely an eastern.

[Jeff B]

Interesting article, take the time to actually read the paper... it's an eastern.

[snakeman]

Yeah, what do scientists know.They are all biased in their results anyway.

[snakeman]

Hey, check out this Phil Blais red sided garter.

[snakeman]

I wanted to purchase the whole article.They want $60 for a membership.

[guidofatherof5]

I just emailed the American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists for a copy of their documentation with regard to this issue.

[thamneil]

I love our little subspecies argument! Im gonna go with Eastern. I guess we have to wait until Steve gets an answer back.

[snakeman]

I just emailed the American Society of Ichthyologists and Herpetologists for a copy of their documentation with regard to this issue.

Please share when you get it!

[guidofatherof5]

Please share when you get it!

Absolutely.

or not, if they want $60 for it

[Jeff B]

I may be able to access the full text on moday via institutional log-in. After reading the abstact a couple times now, it seems as though they might be implying that there is no validity to current differentiation of the subspecies sirtalis sirtalis and sirtalis parietalis and that they are based solely on color differences, so maybe the arguement on this post is moot. Also, are they implying these locale flames deserve unique new subspecies status? Kinda looks that way doesn't it?
Guess I may as well cross my albino red-sided to my erythistic albino eastern next spring and see if they are compatible albino types huh? Just kidding....or am I ? lol, would it be CBB hybridizing or not? lol how about that can of worms? Maybe we should just lump all thams into one species, then I can get started working on making silver granites, granite albino flames, green axanthic granites, and green axanthic granite piebalds, oooh that would be cool, patches of green and black flecks on a mostly white body.