picked up two red sided garters

**pauleve** · 10-31-2011 04:32 AM

Hi guys I purchased 2 "red sided garter snakes" from my L.R.S. They both probed as female.Two questions really 1-Anybody like to narrow the shops "red sided" down to a particular sub species 2- All indications are that they are female )1 -probed as )2-seem to have a uniform long tapering tail from the cloaca First snake

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**pauleve** · 10-31-2011 04:41 AM

Here are pics of the 2nd "red sided"

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Cheers Paul

**chris-uk** · 10-31-2011 04:34 PM

Welcome to the forum Paul.

I can't help identify specific species for you, but they're fine looking garters. Unless the colours haven't come out well in the photos the colours look nice and natural, like they've not been bred to bring out any particular colouring. I like the natural colours, much prefer them to morphs.

**pauleve** · 10-31-2011 05:14 PM

Cheers Chris yeah picked them up from Viper and Vine in Manchester .Wont let me change my profile details to say I am from uk. Dont suppose you would like to hazard a guess at their sexes

**guidofatherof5** · 10-31-2011 05:36 PM

First is female.
The second appears male to me.
Any chance you can post a photo of that second tail stretched out?

**pauleve** · 10-31-2011 05:52 PM

Cheers Steve was thinking the same as the anal plate on the 2nd has a straighter edge compared to the first will get pics tomorrow as they have had their first feed today.

**aSnakeLovinBabe** · 10-31-2011 06:32 PM

Any chance your probes are just not narrow enough? you need a SUPER tiny probe to probe a garter snake.... the second one looks male to me as well but a tail stretched out photo would be helpful!

**aSnakeLovinBabe** · 10-31-2011 06:33 PM

Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis is the full name of these snakes

**pauleve** · 11-01-2011 03:52 AM

Thanks for your feedback aSnakeLovinBabe .The probing was done by the shop so have no verification on the size of probes.Will get stretched out tail pics this afternoon.I was thinking they are parietalis but again as I purchased them from a shop we all know they give their stock generic names

Was wondering whether I had Thamnophis sirtialis fitchi .I must say these are no more than 1 foot long

**pauleve** · 11-01-2011 09:31 AM

well tried my best but this one is a right wriggler

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