Snake died during hibernation (photos!)

reptileparadise · 01-08-2008, 09:23 AM

One of my snakes, a 2,5 year old thamnophis cyrtopsis cyrtopsis with a good weight died during its hibernation.
It happens...
But when I took a closer look, I noticed something strange.
Here are some pictures. Any one an idea?
Blood around its mouth...But as far as I can see, no rott.

Small pox on his belly?
Only two of them. His entire body was okay, except for these two spots.

Stefan-A · 01-08-2008, 09:27 AM

Stomatitis? Lower temperature - weakened immune system - death?

Sorry about the loss, by the way.

reptileparadise · 01-08-2008, 09:29 AM

That was the first thing I thought off. I have never seen any signs of it though.

GarterGuy · 01-08-2008, 10:26 AM

That sucks.....sorry about that

. Yeh, I was also thinking Stomatitis, could have been that he always had a bit of it, but like Stefan said, the lowered immune system of a brumating snake may have allowed it to go totally systemic and just run through the poor snake.

anji1971 · 01-08-2008, 10:47 AM

Sorry about your loss.

ssssnakeluvr · 01-08-2008, 10:54 AM

sorry for your loss....not sure why it passed. it's not uncommon to lose a snake or 2 during brumation....I have lost a few over the years, all appeared healthy going into brumation and just died...it sucks....

reptileparadise · 01-08-2008, 11:39 AM

Thanks everyone...
This is the first snake I have lost during brumation and sadly, I'm going to lose another one. My male radix looks like he is gasping for air, with a strange bend in his neck. He acted normal when I woke him up, but now, about 4 hours after waking up, his condition is very very bad.
man...what a way to start 2008 :s

zooplan · 01-08-2008, 11:40 AM

Sorry for your loss, Sjoerd.
Are your snakes still in brumation, or have you started to warm them up?
I´ve lost a female ´parietalis last year without any visible reason.

adamanteus · 01-08-2008, 11:53 AM

Sjoerd, I'm sorry to hear your bad news. I wouldn't like to guess on the cause of death on the cyrtopsis. It doesn't really look like stomatitis, does it?

reptileparadise · 01-08-2008, 12:02 PM

@ Udo: Yes, I warmed everyone up today.
Hibernation ended!

@ James: I wouldn't know. I thought I would have seen something if he ahd it before he went in hibernation. But I have never noticed anything. He was even eating fine before he went to sleep...

01-08-2008, 09:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
reptileparadise the red sided giant Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Achtmaal Posts: 1,044 Country:	Snake died during hibernation (photos!) One of my snakes, a 2,5 year old thamnophis cyrtopsis cyrtopsis with a good weight died during its hibernation. It happens... But when I took a closer look, I noticed something strange. Here are some pictures. Any one an idea? Blood around its mouth...But as far as I can see, no rott. Small pox on his belly? Only two of them. His entire body was okay, except for these two spots.

01-08-2008, 09:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
Stefan-A The Prince of Insufficient Light. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern Finland Posts: 5,367 Country:	Re: Snake died during hibernation (photos!) Stomatitis? Lower temperature - weakened immune system - death? Sorry about the loss, by the way. __________________ Stercus accidit.

01-08-2008, 09:29 AM	#3 (permalink)
reptileparadise the red sided giant Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Achtmaal Posts: 1,044 Country:	Re: Snake died during hibernation (photos!) That was the first thing I thought off. I have never seen any signs of it though.

01-08-2008, 10:26 AM	#4 (permalink)
GarterGuy Brother Snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lancaster,PA Posts: 1,356 Country:	Re: Snake died during hibernation (photos!) That sucks.....sorry about that. Yeh, I was also thinking Stomatitis, could have been that he always had a bit of it, but like Stefan said, the lowered immune system of a brumating snake may have allowed it to go totally systemic and just run through the poor snake. __________________ *Roy* 1.1 T.s.pickeringi 0.1 T.s.concinnus 0.0.2 T.s.pallidulus

01-08-2008, 10:47 AM	#5 (permalink)
anji1971 Finder of unique Garters Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Windsor, Ontario Posts: 2,553 Country:	Re: Snake died during hibernation (photos!) Sorry about your loss. __________________ Anji

01-08-2008, 10:54 AM	#6 (permalink)
ssssnakeluvr "PM Boots For Custom Title" Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 2,005 Country:	Re: Snake died during hibernation (photos!) sorry for your loss....not sure why it passed. it's not uncommon to lose a snake or 2 during brumation....I have lost a few over the years, all appeared healthy going into brumation and just died...it sucks.... __________________ Don www.donsgartersnakes.net

01-08-2008, 11:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
reptileparadise the red sided giant Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Achtmaal Posts: 1,044 Country:	Re: Snake died during hibernation (photos!) Thanks everyone... This is the first snake I have lost during brumation and sadly, I'm going to lose another one. My male radix looks like he is gasping for air, with a strange bend in his neck. He acted normal when I woke him up, but now, about 4 hours after waking up, his condition is very very bad. man...what a way to start 2008 :s

01-08-2008, 11:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
zooplan The red side of life. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonn Posts: 1,082 Country:	Re: Snake died during hibernation (photos!) Sorry for your loss, Sjoerd. Are your snakes still in brumation, or have you started to warm them up? I´ve lost a female ´parietalis last year without any visible reason. __________________ best wishes bis bald Udo www.zooplan.net Member of the EGSA

01-08-2008, 11:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 8,343 Country:	Re: Snake died during hibernation (photos!) Sjoerd, I'm sorry to hear your bad news. I wouldn't like to guess on the cause of death on the cyrtopsis. It doesn't really look like stomatitis, does it? __________________ James.

01-08-2008, 12:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
reptileparadise the red sided giant Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Achtmaal Posts: 1,044 Country:	Re: Snake died during hibernation (photos!) @ Udo: Yes, I warmed everyone up today. Hibernation ended! @ James: I wouldn't know. I thought I would have seen something if he ahd it before he went in hibernation. But I have never noticed anything. He was even eating fine before he went to sleep...

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