Is it OK..

SerpentGirl · 03-01-2008, 03:06 AM

.. to feed a ribbon snake sardines? Just curious, I haven't done it, but I saw sardines, and it made me wonder.

ssssnakeluvr · 03-01-2008, 09:18 AM

I wouldn't....most sardines are processed and packed in oil or spices....not the best for snakes

GarterGuy · 03-01-2008, 01:45 PM

Also aren't sardines on of the fish on they do not feed list because of thiaminase? Better off sticking with guppies, platies or fillet of trout or salmon.

adamanteus · 03-01-2008, 02:02 PM

I agree, best to avoid any processed fish.

Stefan-A · 03-01-2008, 02:14 PM

If we're talking about the fresh kind and not the processed kind, then the only thing to look out for, should be thiaminase.

gregmonsta · 03-01-2008, 04:25 PM

I would only say yes to fresh if there was additional vitamin supplementation and after boiling the sardines for five minutes or more.

KITKAT · 03-01-2008, 05:24 PM

Each paragraph below is a quote from a different website. Put the information together, and you get the result that Sardines ***DO*** contain thiaminase, but herring do not. Some sardines sold for human consumption are actual sardines, while others are herring. Therefore, since labelling does not reveal which species of fish is in the package, I would advise garter keepers to avoid anything labelled sardine. However, if you are able to purchase Herring, labelled as such, it is one of the species that does NOT contain thiaminase.

---------website quotes------------

Six species of sardine are generally recognized: five in the Pacific and Indian Oceans (Sardinops species) and Sardinia pilchardus in the Atlantic and Mediterranean. In 1998 US researchers announced, following analysis of mitochondrial DNA from the Sardinops species, that they were in fact probably widely dispersed regional populations of the same species, rather than different species.

The sardine, or pilchard, is an ocean going fish well known for traveling in large groups, or schools. The sardine is related to the herring, and sometimes canned fish labeled as sardine is actually herring.

Some species of fish belonging to the sardine and anchovy families contain enzymes that degrade thiamin contained in the trash fish itself.

Serpentine99 · 03-01-2008, 10:07 PM

interesting, how such closely resembling fish can have completely different effects on some animals.

Stefan-A · 03-01-2008, 10:25 PM

Even closely related species can be different. IIRC, species from the genus Coregonus appear on both lists. Apparently one species contains thiaminase, another doesn't.

SerpentGirl · 03-04-2008, 06:01 AM

Thanks for the replies. I will just continue to feed him guppies, platys & salmon. He really enjoys the salmon.

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ssssnakeluvr "PM Boots For Custom Title" Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 1,891 Country:	Re: Is it OK.. I wouldn't....most sardines are processed and packed in oil or spices....not the best for snakes __________________ Don www.donsgartersnakes.net

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GarterGuy Brother Snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Lancaster,PA Posts: 1,356 Country:	Re: Is it OK.. Also aren't sardines on of the fish on they do not feed list because of thiaminase? Better off sticking with guppies, platies or fillet of trout or salmon. __________________ *Roy* 1.1 T.s.pickeringi 0.1 T.s.concinnus 0.0.2 T.s.pallidulus

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adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 8,055 Country:	Re: Is it OK.. I agree, best to avoid any processed fish. __________________ James.

03-01-2008, 02:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
Stefan-A The Prince of Insufficient Light. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern Finland Posts: 5,077 Country:	Re: Is it OK.. If we're talking about the fresh kind and not the processed kind, then the only thing to look out for, should be thiaminase. __________________ No cutesy.

03-01-2008, 04:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
gregmonsta Adult snake Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 601 Country:	Re: Is it OK.. I would only say yes to fresh if there was additional vitamin supplementation and after boiling the sardines for five minutes or more. __________________ 1.0.0 Red-sided 1.0.0 Plains http://www.myspace.com/thresholdsicks

03-01-2008, 05:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
KITKAT Old and wise snake Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 904 Country:	Re: Is it OK.. Each paragraph below is a quote from a different website. Put the information together, and you get the result that Sardines DO contain thiaminase, but herring do not. Some sardines sold for human consumption are actual sardines, while others are herring. Therefore, since labelling does not reveal which species of fish is in the package, I would advise garter keepers to avoid anything labelled sardine. However, if you are able to purchase Herring, labelled as such, it is one of the species that does NOT contain thiaminase. ---------website quotes------------ Six species of sardine are generally recognized: five in the Pacific and Indian Oceans (Sardinops species) and Sardinia pilchardus in the Atlantic and Mediterranean. In 1998 US researchers announced, following analysis of mitochondrial DNA from the Sardinops species, that they were in fact probably widely dispersed regional populations of the same species, rather than different species. The sardine, or pilchard, is an ocean going fish well known for traveling in large groups, or schools. The sardine is related to the herring, and sometimes canned fish labeled as sardine is actually herring. Some species of fish belonging to the sardine and anchovy families contain enzymes that degrade thiamin contained in the trash fish itself. __________________ KitKat "Acts of kindness should never be random."

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Serpentine99 Subadult snake Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Chester County, PA Posts: 303 Country:	Re: Is it OK.. interesting, how such closely resembling fish can have completely different effects on some animals. __________________ Quadruple Sport Enthusiast Wrestling Track Soccer Cross Country

03-01-2008, 10:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
Stefan-A The Prince of Insufficient Light. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Southern Finland Posts: 5,077 Country:	Re: Is it OK.. Even closely related species can be different. IIRC, species from the genus Coregonus appear on both lists. Apparently one species contains thiaminase, another doesn't. __________________ No cutesy.

03-04-2008, 06:01 AM	#10 (permalink)
SerpentGirl "First shed In Progress" Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 80 Country:	Re: Is it OK.. Thanks for the replies. I will just continue to feed him guppies, platys & salmon. He really enjoys the salmon.

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