first shed...

[Cazador]

Thanks Markus. Man, I want that book.

Nessy and all,
The photo contests are just a way for us all to admire each other's snakes and generate a bit of activity. It's just for fun, particularly since there's no prize.
Rick

[abcat1993]

I would say an ordinary garter (to me) is an eastern garter or a butlers garter. Pretty much anything that's green with a white/yellow stripe down it's back.

[nessy]

i meant ordinary as in the most common in petshops where i live, i think its an eastern that's what the shop owner told me...

anyway, you're right: it is just a bit of fun and i owe a little contribution for all the help i've got from this forum

i hope i haven't offended anyone by sayin mine was ordinary. i meant it was the most commonly sold garter here... hope there's no hard feelings

[nessy]

i managed to take a few pictures

although, it is impossible for me to keep her still!! and the image is so easily blurded.... perhaps i'll need to shorten the exposure or something, when i find out how! haha

would be nice if you guys could confirm what species/subspecies/type/breed (i'm not sure what the right word is) she is...








and here's a pic i took on new years day of her shed skin, to give you an idea how big it is:

[GarterGuy]

Well I'll put my vote in for her being a Redsided garter....Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis. Looks a lot like my Manitoba redsided I used to have quite a time ago.

[nessy]

haha, goes to show what the shop owner knew, i just checked on google and it looks nothing like an eastern!!

is "Manitoba redsided" a separate division of "Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis"? or do they mean the same?

thanks!

[GarterGuy]

Yeh, they pretty much mean the same thing. T.s.parietalis ranges over a fairly large area of central and northern US up into several areas in Canada. A Manitoba Redsided is just a T.s.parietalis from that region of Canada...at one time most redsideds came from there. There are large snake dens in the province where tons of snakes used to be collected for the pet trade (actually it's the largest gathering of snakes in the world ), they've since outlawed commercial collection of snakes from those areas....but I'm sure there are some still floating around out there and there could be Manitoba bloodlines being bred as well.

[abcat1993]

I don't know but I have to say that looks like a red sided to me.

[Markus18]

@nessy
for me its a parietalis too!
take a look at my pictures!then you see it

[ssssnakeluvr]

I also say its a red sided garter.....