help Identify

[enigma200316]

found this little baby in the backyard doesn't look like the typical eastern, what do you guys think??



these are of the same snake, he's only like maybe 8inches long.....

[enigma200316]

after checking around it could be butler's we do have them here in northwest PA...........

[ssssnakeluvr]

definitely not an eastern, its a shortheaded garter, thamnophis brachystoma

[gregmonsta]

I concur ... brachystoma popped into my head as soon as I saw the pic (garter sense tingling).

[adamanteus]

Moi aussi. C'est un T. brachystoma!
(I already posted this once... hours ago! Where did it go? That's not meant to happen to me... I'm a Moderator!)

[Sid]

Very nice find, Justin. You should add that second photo to the Photo Library.

[anji1971]

Very cool!! I didn't even know about that kind of garter................
They are quite pretty!

[enigma200316]

yes indeed I totally foregot about Brachystoma, sweet my first ever I have seen....and reproducing which is a good thing here, because they are on the list for PA of protected and endangered speicies............back to the wild my little friend, and thank you guys for the help........

[adamanteus]

.......back to the wild my little friend, and thank you guys for the help........

Don't forget then, Justin.... loads more photos before you let her go.
We need to add her to the photo library too. Will you do that, or should I?

[enigma200316]

I will try to get what I can, however you can take the ones that we have here already and put them in.....