new snake owner says hello - Page 2

bigdaddydan74 · 10-28-2006, 08:13 PM

this one eats plenty of fish. anything else i should feed it ?

ssssnakeluvr · 10-28-2006, 08:17 PM

fish is good for it, occasionally worms also. I wouldn't feed frogs or salamanders as they can get internal parasites from them. If you plan on keeping her for a long time, you can get frozen/thawed or live pinkie rats and rub them with fish and get her eating them. She won't need to be fed as often with rodents as they provide more nutrition in a small meal.

Cazador · 10-28-2006, 11:16 PM

Got to agree with the ssssnakeluvr on the amphibian comment. They're notorious for passing parasites on to pet garters. Captive snakes are under additional stress because of their confined quarters, foreign smells, frequent handling, etc. Stress reduces the immune system, which makes them more vulnerable to common pathogens than wild garters are. Captive garters with parasitic infections also reinfect themselves to a greater degree because of the confinement issue. Many people feed amphibians, but they're taking an unnecessary chance. Can't wait to see pictures,
Rick

abcat1993 · 10-29-2006, 07:26 AM

Why are they more likely to get parasites from toads and frogs than worms?

Thamnophis · 10-29-2006, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abcat1993

Why are they more likely to get parasites from toads and frogs than worms?

Probably because he parasites that live in ampibians can also live in reptiles. At least, some can, I believe.
The (most) parasites from worms cannot do that and will probapbly be digested when they are eaten.

And... Welcome here, Bigdaddydan74!

Cazador · 10-29-2006, 12:24 PM

Really good question, abcat

. In short, amphibians live in environments that harbor a lot of parasites, and they actively search for, and consume prey that is often already parasitized. Worms don't do this, which is one reason their infestation rate is much lower.

Amphibians and reptiles also have similarities that make them more suitable hosts for the same kinds of parasites (e.g. more robust digestive, circulatory, and respiratory systems, higher nutrient throughput, regulated pH levels, and more similar lifestyles than worms and reptiles), so many generalist parasites are able to live in both. Worms mostly conform to whatever environment they're in, which lowers the infestation and reproductive rates of any parasite that manages to colonize the worm.

That's a really quick and dirty overview, so send me a PM if this wasn't clear enough. Regards,
Rick

10-28-2006, 08:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
bigdaddydan74 Hi, I'm New Here! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: spokane washington Posts: 14 Country:	Re: new snake owner says hello this one eats plenty of fish. anything else i should feed it ?

10-28-2006, 08:17 PM	#12 (permalink)
ssssnakeluvr "PM Boots For Custom Title" Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 1,884 Country:	Re: new snake owner says hello fish is good for it, occasionally worms also. I wouldn't feed frogs or salamanders as they can get internal parasites from them. If you plan on keeping her for a long time, you can get frozen/thawed or live pinkie rats and rub them with fish and get her eating them. She won't need to be fed as often with rodents as they provide more nutrition in a small meal.

10-28-2006, 11:16 PM	#13 (permalink)
Cazador Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alaska, USA Posts: 1,608 Country:	Re: new snake owner says hello Got to agree with the ssssnakeluvr on the amphibian comment. They're notorious for passing parasites on to pet garters. Captive snakes are under additional stress because of their confined quarters, foreign smells, frequent handling, etc. Stress reduces the immune system, which makes them more vulnerable to common pathogens than wild garters are. Captive garters with parasitic infections also reinfect themselves to a greater degree because of the confinement issue. Many people feed amphibians, but they're taking an unnecessary chance. Can't wait to see pictures, Rick

10-29-2006, 07:26 AM	#14 (permalink)
abcat1993 Old and wise snake Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North of Chicago IL, US Posts: 867 Country:	Re: new snake owner says hello Why are they more likely to get parasites from toads and frogs than worms? __________________ 0.1 Jack Russell Terrier 1.0 rough skinned newt 1.0.0 eastern garter http://www.winnetka36.org/ci/ci_name.htm

10-29-2006, 12:24 PM	#16 (permalink)
Cazador Moderator Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alaska, USA Posts: 1,608 Country:	Re: new snake owner says hello Really good question, abcat . In short, amphibians live in environments that harbor a lot of parasites, and they actively search for, and consume prey that is often already parasitized. Worms don't do this, which is one reason their infestation rate is much lower. Amphibians and reptiles also have similarities that make them more suitable hosts for the same kinds of parasites (e.g. more robust digestive, circulatory, and respiratory systems, higher nutrient throughput, regulated pH levels, and more similar lifestyles than worms and reptiles), so many generalist parasites are able to live in both. Worms mostly conform to whatever environment they're in, which lowers the infestation and reproductive rates of any parasite that manages to colonize the worm. That's a really quick and dirty overview, so send me a PM if this wasn't clear enough. Regards, Rick

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