hello from W. Michigan

bulrush · 04-11-2008, 02:03 PM

I'm new here but have been catching some type of garter snake in our local park for the past 3 springs. Last Sunday my son and I caught 3 garter snakes that were the typical black color with 3 yellow stripes.

I have posted an ID request for another snake which I think is a garter, but have not found a pic of its coloration on the internet.

Thanks.

adamanteus · 04-11-2008, 03:49 PM

Hi Chuck, and welcome to the forum.

I had a look at the photo in your other thread... looks almost like an Eastern 'Flame' to me... lucky you!

enigma200316 · 04-11-2008, 04:03 PM

hello and welcome chuck................

Sid · 04-11-2008, 04:16 PM

Welcome to a great forum, Chuck. I'll take a look at your other post.

I agree with James....T. s sirtalis- Flame morph of an Eastern. Easterns do most commonly have dorsal strips, but it's not very unusual to find specimens where it is totally absent. On the left of this page, click on the "care sheet" and scroll down to common garter. You'll see a photo of one Eastern that is a deep green and no strips at all.

Zephyr · 04-11-2008, 05:38 PM

Actually, I'm going to be the rebel and say it's not a flame. It's what one of my guides calls the "northeastern" morph, notice that all the red is between the scales as opposed to on them. Usually specimens from our area have a little bit of the red, but some of them, such as yours, have quite a lot! *High red.*
Did I mention I'm from MI as well?

drache · 04-11-2008, 07:26 PM

welcome to the forum, Chuck
I'll go check out your snake on the other thread . . .

anji1971 · 04-11-2008, 07:56 PM

Hello, and welcome! That snake looks similar to my Eastern, but the red markings are in a fairly wide band compared to mine. I don't think it's a flame though.

zooplan · 04-12-2008, 12:35 AM

hello again to Michigan, Chuck.

Tori · 04-12-2008, 04:35 AM

Welcome Chuck, I am another from West Michigan. I have been out hunting every weekend for the last couple of weeks and haven't found one garter yet. I'm guessing you are further south than me. We still had snow on the ground week before last and all this week it has rained. I have a young female that looks just like your find!

Tori

Odie · 04-13-2008, 01:28 AM

Hi, from Oregon, Chuck

04-11-2008, 02:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
bulrush "First shed, A Success" Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Posts: 106 Country:	hello from W. Michigan I'm new here but have been catching some type of garter snake in our local park for the past 3 springs. Last Sunday my son and I caught 3 garter snakes that were the typical black color with 3 yellow stripes. I have posted an ID request for another snake which I think is a garter, but have not found a pic of its coloration on the internet. Thanks.

04-11-2008, 03:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
adamanteus Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cheshire. (Near Manchester). Posts: 7,882 Country:	Re: hello from W. Michigan Hi Chuck, and welcome to the forum. I had a look at the photo in your other thread... looks almost like an Eastern 'Flame' to me... lucky you! __________________ James. Last edited by adamanteus : 04-12-2008 at 02:40 AM.

04-11-2008, 04:03 PM	#3 (permalink)
enigma200316 Basilisk (The King of all Serpents) Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: northwestern, PA Posts: 1,880 Country:	Re: hello from W. Michigan hello and welcome chuck................ __________________ Justin 1.1 similis 0.0.1 parietalis 1.0 sirtalis

04-11-2008, 04:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sid Thamnophis Addict Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,602 Country:	Re: hello from W. Michigan Welcome to a great forum, Chuck. I'll take a look at your other post. I agree with James....T. s sirtalis- Flame morph of an Eastern. Easterns do most commonly have dorsal strips, but it's not very unusual to find specimens where it is totally absent. On the left of this page, click on the "care sheet" and scroll down to common garter. You'll see a photo of one Eastern that is a deep green and no strips at all. __________________ Sid 6.7 T. s sirtalis- Eastern Garter 0.1.5 T. s pinkeringii- Puget 1.1 T. e vagrans- Wandering Garter 1.0 T. s sackenii- Peninsular Ribbon

04-11-2008, 05:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
Zephyr Thamnophis inspectus Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Dearborn, Michigan Posts: 1,320 Country:	Re: hello from W. Michigan Actually, I'm going to be the rebel and say it's not a flame. It's what one of my guides calls the "northeastern" morph, notice that all the red is between the scales as opposed to on them. Usually specimens from our area have a little bit of the red, but some of them, such as yours, have quite a lot! High red. Did I mention I'm from MI as well?

04-11-2008, 07:26 PM	#6 (permalink)
drache Ophiuchus rhea Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Brooklyn, New York Posts: 3,892 Country:	Re: hello from W. Michigan welcome to the forum, Chuck I'll go check out your snake on the other thread . . . __________________ rhea "Life is just one damn thing after another" - Mark Twain this place is one damn beautiful snake after another - me

04-11-2008, 07:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
anji1971 Finder of unique Garters Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Windsor, Ontario Posts: 2,154 Country:	Re: hello from W. Michigan Hello, and welcome! That snake looks similar to my Eastern, but the red markings are in a fairly wide band compared to mine. I don't think it's a flame though. __________________ Anji

04-12-2008, 12:35 AM	#8 (permalink)
zooplan "Fourth shed, A Success" Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bonn Posts: 819 Country:	Re: hello from W. Michigan hello again to Michigan, Chuck. __________________ best wishes bis bald Udo www.zooplan.net Member of the EGSA

04-12-2008, 04:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tori "Second shed In Progress" Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Holland, Michigan Posts: 236 Country:	Re: hello from W. Michigan Welcome Chuck, I am another from West Michigan. I have been out hunting every weekend for the last couple of weeks and haven't found one garter yet. I'm guessing you are further south than me. We still had snow on the ground week before last and all this week it has rained. I have a young female that looks just like your find! Tori __________________ Tori Remember: Marriage is the number one cause of divorce.

04-13-2008, 01:28 AM	#10 (permalink)
Odie "Third shed, A Success" Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 515 Country:	Re: hello from W. Michigan Hi, from Oregon, Chuck

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