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    Re: Can different subspecies conceive of spring?

    Quote Originally Posted by guidofatherof5 View Post
    What's done is done but I would never house different sexed different species together. Nature finds a way to continue things on. No offense but I hope the mating didn't take and no hybrids are born.
    I also hope no hybrids are born, but the question I had was CAN they be born?
    Because when I bought them at the breeder, Steven Bol.
    He said that the different species couldn't conceve offspring together.
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    Re: Can different subspecies conceive of spring?

    Quote Originally Posted by Speedmark View Post
    I also hope no hybrids are born, but the question I had was CAN they be born?
    Because when I bought them at the breeder, Steven Bol.
    He said that the different species couldn't conceve offspring together.
    Only time will tell.
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    Re: Can different subspecies conceive of spring?

    Quote Originally Posted by Speedmark View Post
    I also hope no hybrids are born, but the question I had was CAN they be born?
    Because when I bought them at the breeder, Steven Bol.
    He said that the different species couldn't conceve offspring together.
    Well, I wish we could get the clarification on exactly which species specifically Steve was referring to. Your saying he said male and female of T.E.virgatenuis, T.S.infernalis, and T. Marcianus cannot reproduce? As in a male T.E.virgatenuis to a female T.S.infernalis and or T.Marcianus male to either of the other two subspecies? I know it does exist where some species are incompatible with others but I don't know which. I just wish we could find out exactly. I have been looking for specific answers but haven't found it yet.
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    Re: Can different subspecies conceive of spring?

    Hopefully you don't end up with hybrids from this, but IMO the only way to be absolutely sure you won't end up with offspring is to house males with only other males and females with only other females.

    I don't know what that breeder was basing that on... I mean, certain species of thamnophis may have a more difficult time breeding with others, but as far as I'm aware there's no concrete evidence that they CAN'T mate with one another and create offspring.
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    Re: Can different subspecies conceive of spring?

    Wow what an unusual pairing. Im pretty sure these two species have never been housed together before. They may or may not produce offspring who really knows...no one.
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    Re: Can different subspecies conceive of spring?

    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHSNAKE View Post
    Wow what an unusual pairing. Im pretty sure these two species have never been housed together before. They may or may not produce offspring who really knows...no one.
    he will know eventually haha

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    Re: Can different subspecies conceive of spring?

    Its true Joe because the literature does put forth info about the incompatibility of certain species , subspecies with others. As a matter of fact ,it likens hemipenal structure variations to a type of lock and key mechanism. Some fit and some don't. I just can't find exactly which ones and whether the ones that do fit produce viable offspring. Peplexing and frustrating bc Speed says they were locked. So i guess hemipenes fit at least from the outside?
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    Re: Can different subspecies conceive of spring?

    Yeah I did make some pictures, I guess I'll just post them.

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    1.1 T.s.infernalis, 1.1 T.e.virgatenuis, 1.1 Heterodon nasicus, 1.1 Eryx colubrinus loveridgei, 2.2 Lichanura trivirgata saslowi / myriolepis, San Felipe, Bay of L.A. localities.
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    Re: Can different subspecies conceive of spring?

    Here a few of the lock.
    He was being dragged around.

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    1.1 T.s.infernalis, 1.1 T.e.virgatenuis, 1.1 Heterodon nasicus, 1.1 Eryx colubrinus loveridgei, 2.2 Lichanura trivirgata saslowi / myriolepis, San Felipe, Bay of L.A. localities.
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    Re: Can different subspecies conceive of spring?

    I would expect babies from that pairing
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