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    Scaleless eastern garter morphs

    Introducing the worlds first scaleless erythristic flame golden and scaleless flame. There was also albinos in the litter.
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    Re: Scaleless eastern garter morphs

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    Re: Scaleless eastern garter morphs

    Truly amazing Jeff!!! Best of luck with them!!
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    Re: Scaleless eastern garter morphs

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    Truly amazing Jeff!!! Best of luck with them!!
    Thanks Eddie, hopefully they will be common in the hobby in 6-8 years from now.

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    Re: Scaleless eastern garter morphs

    As you well know it is very difficult to actually keep a morph going in this hobby. Would love to see you get the leucistic going. How cool would a scaleless lucy be?

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    I agree it with what you said about morphs in the hobby I always wondered why that is the only thing i could come up with is maybe breeders care more about finding the highest buyers instead of the right buyers like selling most to people that donít intend on breeding I could be wrong and Iím not talking about you Jeff or anyone I know but thatís all I could come up with I donít understand why almost all the morphs that were around in 2008 are gone now
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff B View Post
    As you well know it is very difficult to actually keep a morph going in this hobby. Would love to see you get the leucistic going. How cool would a scaleless lucy be?

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    Re: Scaleless eastern garter morphs

    Quote Originally Posted by gartergabe View Post
    I agree it with what you said about morphs in the hobby I always wondered why that is the only thing i could come up with is maybe breeders care more about finding the highest buyers instead of the right buyers like selling most to people that donít intend on breeding I could be wrong and Iím not talking about you Jeff or anyone I know but thatís all I could come up with I donít understand why almost all the morphs that were around in 2008 are gone now
    Well it is just difficult as a breeder to keep things going and it takes years of perseverance and hard work. If it was easy and only took a couple weeks with little work everyone that had an interest would be making morph combos. Very very very few people stick with breeding garter snakes. Snakes die on you over the winter, or a morph is just finicky about breeding and/or has issues with productivity, people loose interest, people move on to other snakes, other breeding projects, other hobbies all together. Sometimes people just give up or they just need a change in there life to focus on something else...life happens. Some breeders stay in the hobby only a few years. Some are in it for years then burn out and disappear. Some start then quit and get rid of everything then a year later "they're back" trying to build up a collection and they do that start and stop thing over and over, so they never really accomplish anything or contribute to the hobby, and there are those that just just suck the life out of it with negative comments about morphs. Thats my two cents on why morphs don't persist in the hobby.
    Eddie what do you think?

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    Yeah that makes sense thanks for sharing your point of view it I agree I hope you continue to stay in the game every snake or project Iíve seen of yours was amazing have you decided if youíre gonna make another website or not

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    Re: Scaleless eastern garter morphs

    i actually can't believe the amount of "breeders" that have come and gone. I also know that breeding garters is not for the faint of heart. they are tough to deal with. the miss conception that garters are common in the wild so they must be easy to keep and breed is way off base. As most or all of you know I am not in this for money. I do sell snakes from time to time to other enthusiasts but I am in it for the hobby of it foremost. Jeff, i wish you the best of luck with this new morph and can't wait to be a part of it!!
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    Re: Scaleless eastern garter morphs

    A lot of people specialize, focus on one species. Garters arent just garters...theres 20 plus species plus morphs. People like Eddy and Tommy radix who focus on one species, like many hobbiest do, are extremely successful at keeping those lines around.
    Its not that its difficult it just needs more people involved.
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