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    Pictures Of Thamnophis proximus (sub species)



    Hello,

    following numerous identification errors in imports into France (thamnophis sold as sauritus while they are proximus), I am looking for photos in order to be able to determine the subspecies. Fo
    r descriptions, I use the following book: The garters snakes: evolution and ecology. But there are no photos.

    The "sauritus" are breeding a lot in Europe and I fear that there were hybrids, how to recognize them?

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    Re: Pictures Of Thamnophis proximus (sub species)

    Hello from Sweden!

    "Telling the difference between an Eastern and a Western Ribbon Snake is quite easy: Western Ribbon Snakes have two sometimes fused white spots on the top of their heads; Eastern Ribbon Snakes do not. Ribbon snakes can be differentiated from garter snakes by their overall shape: they’re very elongate; their side stripes are higher up on the body (on the third and fourth scale rows — most garters’ stripes are on the second and third rows); and there is no black between their labial (lip) scales."

    Source: Questions About Ribbon Snakes in Captivity - Gartersnake.info
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    Re: Pictures Of Thamnophis proximus (sub species)

    Thanks but I search to differentiate the sub species of T. proximus. I can see in INaturalist but the identification of T. proximus proximus and T. proximus orarius are not sure (pictures presents differents colours of lateral and dorsal stripes).

    Can post a photo of your Thamnophis proximus proximus please ? I have a Thamnophis proximus orarius and I would like see the difference.

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