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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    Well, why all the mystery? count the upper labials and let us know. All T. elegans subspecies have 8. Also, is the base color of the snake solid as it appears in the photo? or does it have spots like this wandering?

    T. elegans vagrans (wandering garter)





    "mountain garter" T. elegans elegans (keep in mind both of these snakes are considered "western terrestrial" garters, just two different subspecies)
    Note the 8 upper labials (like all T. elegans subspecies have) and lack of distinct spots:

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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    Ok i will get back to you if i can ever catch her again. Might have to wait for spring.
    0.1 Red axanthic x red radix

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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    Oh, I hadn't realized you didn't have her. Still, did she look more like the bottom one or the top?

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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    Probally the bottom.
    0.1 Red axanthic x red radix

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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    Here is a diagram of a garter snake's head to help you know how to count the labials (upper and lower jaw scales). Labial scale count is one of the ways (not exclusive) you can differentiate one garter subspecies from another.

    snake head diagram.jpg

    This diagram comes from Ruthven's book on variations of garter snakes (1908).
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    0.2.0 T.e.vagrans 1.1.1 T.radix 1.1.0 T.s.infernalis

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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    Quote Originally Posted by snake man View Post
    Probally the bottom.
    Then I'll say again, not a wandering.

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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    Very old and interesting. Thanks.
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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    Ha! looks a lot like some drawings I did as a teen.

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