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    Paper pellets vs. aspen, the importance of burrowing?

    So I've got two young male checkered garter snakes in an Exo Terra large/wide (18" wide by 18" high by 36" long), and I've found them to be very satisfying snakes to own. They eat great and are out and about more than most snakes. In the past four months I think they've grown nicely, going from eating a pinkie and half a nightcrawler a week (seperate feedings) to two pinkies and a whole nightcrawler a week (seperate feedings). I plan to try out silversides soon. Shedding has been fine, except for a bit retained on the tail of one on his most recent shed (I soaked him in warm water and he let me get it off just fine, I think the little guy just doesn't make as much use of his humid hide as his tankmate does).

    Anyway, onto the main issue. On recommendations from the famous care sheet, I've always used recycled paper pellets. I like them and my garters seem happy enough, yet I can't help but think they might like to be able to burrow more. They have some moss but it can't beat the burrowing opportunies of a layer of aspen. Just how important is burrowing to a checkered garter snake? I have a california kingsnake and while she loves her hides I think she would be a lot more stressed out or less active if she didn't have a few inches of aspen to burrow in as she likes.

    Also it seems having the option to burrow everywhere would encourage the garters to make more use of areas of the terrarium that don't have hides or branches to climb on (the two main places they are, at least during the day).

    As I understand it the main reason to use the paper pellets is for in-cage feeding as they don't stick to food much. However, my garters have always been champs at feeding in little tubs outside their terrarium. So with that in consideration would aspen be superior? I use the kind that supposedly is 99% dust free.

    My only other problem with using aspen and having the garters burrow is the waste disposal. With the pellets it is easy to find their poop as it is all on the surface. With the aspen though it could be anywhere. This isn't an issue with my kingsnake since she poops only once a week at most, but with the garters it is much more frequent. I fear not being able to find it all, and that shifting through the aspen for it routinely would stress them out. Do you think just getting the waste I see would be enough along with the usual full-cage cleanings?

    Many thanks for any thoughts.

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    Re: Paper pellets vs. aspen, the importance of burrowing?

    I don't think there is anything wrong with using aspen, though Carefresh Ultra is my preference. The garters do seem more confident and secure when they can burrow. Most nights I come home from work and it's just heads sticking up out of the substrate.

    I do the spot cleaning when they're in their feeding containers. Since they are burrowing I usually have to turn everything over to find all of them anyway.
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    Re: Paper pellets vs. aspen, the importance of burrowing?

    Ah yes, I've never tried carefresh so I was thinking to stick with what I knew. I also heard it was more expensive than aspen. Definately something to consider though.

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    Re: Paper pellets vs. aspen, the importance of burrowing?

    I use compressed aspen pellets. Absorbent, reduces smells, clumps when wet for easy removal and spot cleaning.
    I get very little burrowing which I like.


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    Re: Paper pellets vs. aspen, the importance of burrowing?

    Quote Originally Posted by guidofatherof5 View Post
    I use compressed aspen pellets. Absorbent, reduces smells, clumps when wet for easy removal and spot cleaning.
    I get very little burrowing which I like.
    That's what i am wondering about though, if enabling them to burrow more is better since I don't have to worry about feeding them in the terrarium. As you said, those pellets wouldn't enable much burrowing, so may I ask why you like that?

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    Re: Paper pellets vs. aspen, the importance of burrowing?

    I don't have to search for them. They are under a hide or out in the open. I tried care fresh once. They burrowed and crapped on the bottom which meant I had to scrub the cage. Aspen pellet clump up and show you where you have to clean.
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    Re: Paper pellets vs. aspen, the importance of burrowing?

    I didn't like either. Naturalistic substrates are better for the animal.They provide a proper humidity gradient,hold borrows and don't need replacing because the bacteria,fungi and inverts take care of the mess
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    Re: Paper pellets vs. aspen, the importance of burrowing?

    Well its clear they can thrive on a variety of substrates, just have to figure out what suits me and them best.

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    Re: Paper pellets vs. aspen, the importance of burrowing?

    There are a lot of substrates that are acceptable. I currently use aspen for everything seeing as newspaper pellet is too heavy for me to lift and move around when I am filling 2 trash can barrels with it on cleaning day. Newspaper pellet is still my favorite, but between the cost of it, and the weight of it, aspen is winning right now for me. Can't find pelleted aspen at a good enough price either. $10 worth of aspen shavings will do almost my entire snakeroom. That much newspaper pellet would cost me a good $60 at least. It used to be cheaper, but my old work went corporate, and now they think they are above passing on the good deals that they get to their customers.
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    Re: Paper pellets vs. aspen, the importance of burrowing?

    The other substrate I use for my true burrowers is of course, coconut husk. (eco earth)
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