Quote Originally Posted by jitami View Post
Love this snake! The little ordinoides, too! Did you keep either? I'd be curious to see how the ordinoides develops.
In my experience, very young ones that have very faint stripes or patterns, end up as adults with no stripe or pattern at all! it fades away. My guess is that little guy doesn't have much longer to go before that hint of a stripe is completely gone.

Quote Originally Posted by Steven@HumboldtHerps View Post
I do not currently have an ordinoides, and many of the pics I have taken are of specimens found throughout the Redwood National and State Park system, so there are no takes allowed.

I do hope to acquire some Northwesterns next spring; looking for the "red magentas."
I might be able to help you out with that. Perhaps. Do you have a pic showing what you have in mind? I know just where to go, and when. I can literally fill buckets full of them at the right time and place, and you can take your pic of interesting colors and patterns! Not too unusual to find patternless, stripeless with a pattern, or even melanistic. Sometimes I find one that looks like a mini checkered garter (without the black neck however)