Hi Concinnus man,

Thank you for that very useful info.

I'm certainly hoping to get these guys back onto rodents by hook or crook, so I'll try the scenting plan you suggest. It's tricky though, as they have both become more and more skittish as they've grown. They will only take the fish if left alone with the live fish in their bowls for a period. Then they'll dart out, grab one, fly back into their hides and repeat the process ten minutes later.

I understand that in the wild San Frans predominantly eat the red-legged frog, but most keepers report that they can get them onto rodents from a young age. I'm not sure why mine have turned away from them.

I did wonder if they were getting the instinct to brumate, and so were avoiding anything but the most tempting, wiggling food. But but the time that occured to me they had started to lose weight, so I wasn't happy to put them into hibernation this year.

I've read elsewhere on the forum that guppies are safe from thiaminase, so I might try those next time. but generally speaking I'll try them on a range of things and see how I get on. They previously refused earthworms, so it looks like they aren't an option. I hope these guys aren't going to keep this up as this evening they've eaten £30 (about $50) worth of Danios, and I can't do that twice a week!

Cheers

Conners