let me tell you that I am still in shock
please take a look first at my concinnus - sexing pics


hard to tell where the vent is, but I think it's right below the hand where that slight bulge is



I look and see "male", but that's not how other male garters see it
that's why he's been probed twice by persons more experienced than I am - and been judged to be male both times

yesterday he gave birth to 14 healthy babies
yes, they're hybrids (marcianus), and no, their fate is not up for debate, because I think I know how that would go, and I am too tired
they will be responsibly dealt with, and that's that

this thread is to remind people that mistakes are quite easy to make, and that snakes are better judges of another snake's gender than even experienced humans with all the right equipment