Hi asnakeluvinbabe: I'd like to see a picture of the parents if you don't mind. I have a subadult pair of female eastern garters and have never seen an adult pair of Westerns. Those are very big beautiful babies. by the way. Finally, do you have any leads on any eastern males? Thanks, elaphilately. PS, I fell in love with garters when I was a kid bopping around and collecting on the Presidio of San Fran Cisco.