Lol! I meant up north for me! I live in south carolina. I have seen similiar looking animals from all three states. I have also seen similar animals from new york.
Quote Originally Posted by joeysgreen View Post
lol, i'm not arguing at all with you blue but had to chuckle with your reference to "eastern from up north"... "indiana, ohio, pennsylvannia" those are all good southern herp'n places for a lot of us !

I've herped wisconsin, ohio and indiana and didn't come across that pattern, but did see some nice red's in a missouri specimen.

When compared to the pictured indiana animal it almost looks like the op's snake was bred for reduced pattern.

Ian