I saw LLL Reptiles once at a NARBC show in Illinois. They had about 50 animals in stacked deli cups labeled "desert lizards", and included an assortment of whiptails, sceloporus, horned lizards and collared lizards, all sickly, dehydrated, and scared out of there wits. That's what I see when I see LLL and why I'm quick to spread the word.