I see your point, James. And I have to agree. However, there are many long-time family members here that have other snakes. And they're comfy and happy here, love this place and the people here, and can't help but crow about their non-Thamnophis kids.

Maybe a place called something like "Members Non-Thamnophis Discussions." Because I think, at least for me, what brought me here and xcited me is this place IS devoted to garters. But when I get my Hoggy, I want to share it all with you guys, too. Because I like it here. There's a good feeling. You can see that from almost everyone that posts - no matter what they post about.

You know what I mean?