I knew one of the females had babies right when I walked into the snake room tonight, it had that birthing smell if you know what I mean, for those that do not it's kinda of a foul/sweet smell that you learn to love, but the females that I thought were most likely to have had babies didn't, then I thought I was seeing things when I looked over at that tub and saw the little heads looking at me, then I really thought I was seeing things when I first noticed the melanistic, thought maybe it just hadn't shed yet so it looked kinda dark, but then when I looked closely, I was like holy crap what just happened here, then I scratched my head and decided hmmm they must both be het for melanistic too (which I later confirmed with Scott that was indeed a possibility, but with many litters of similar breedings last year he had not hit those same odds- guess I should be glad to be lucky than good huh?), then the gears started turning that hey this pair could've produced a erythristic albino melanistic (snow), not sure if that would even be dissernable from plain albino melanistic (snow), but would be super cool if it developed an orange glow with age, of course it will probably take a much bigger litter to hit those odds..... next year maybe, it's a 1 in 16 just to hit the melanistic albino (snow) with that pairing and it's impossible to really accurately calculate true odds for a erythristic albino melanistic, of having a relatively good amount of erythristic genes inherited to show a relatively high end erythristic phenotype, but even if you rough it, a low estimate odds would be 1 in 64 to display all 3 traits. The reason I say this is because I really do not believe that erythristic trait is a single point mutation, recessive or codominant, in some ways a multi or poly gene trait can diseptively appear to have codominant-like inheritability, but the huge variablility and reducution of intensity or bleeding out in subsequent outcrossed generations suggests to me that there are multiple genes and factors involved in displaying that original wild caught erythristic phenotype, but I don't know that we have worked with it enough to really know one way or the other for sure.