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    That' a sick breeding group!

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    I don't know. They don't seem to be sick to me. Perfectly healthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by gregmonsta View Post
    We really don't know the details yet. Hans's male is the only one we know of (other than the anery concinnus in my old autopsy link). Hans's male and his lower red female are the parents of my pair (one year apart). It'll be at least another year before I get to test the water with these .
    Let me get this straight. First generated babies from 1 green anery+low red are anery like one of the parents. The offspring are anery. That's what I figured.

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    My male has the limegreen dorsal an the red has reduced with age.



    I would say that this could be a good visual het-marker.

    I think this trait will prove to be recessive. Hans hasn't reported producing anery offspring from his pairing. I think it will take two 100% hets or two anerys to produce the desired offspring.
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    Interesting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregmonsta View Post
    My male has the limegreen dorsal an the red has reduced with age.



    I would say that this could be a good visual het-marker.

    I think this trait will prove to be recessive. Hans hasn't reported producing anery offspring from his pairing. I think it will take two 100% hets or two anerys to produce the desired offspring.
    If that is the case with the anery gene for "my" concinnus, then that would be extraordinary. That would mean that the entire population is made up of mostly snakes that are homozygous for the gene, and ALL the rest of the population, having highly reduced but not absent orange, are hets! Somehow I doubt that it's recessive in my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ConcinnusMan View Post
    If that is the case with the anery gene for "my" concinnus, then that would be extraordinary. That would mean that the entire population is made up of mostly snakes that are homozygous for the gene, and ALL the rest of the population, having highly reduced but not absent orange, are hets! Somehow I doubt that it's recessive in my case.
    That is why you have to prove them out by breeding, there is only one way to be completely sure.

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    Even then, in the case of a dominant trait the anery looking snakes could either be het or homozygous. Without knowing which is the case, and not knowing if the reduced orange (not absent) snakes are hets or the local norm, it can get complicated. Let's just say it will take a lot of time and generations, and it's easy to draw the wrong conclusion from the first few matings since you cannot trust your eyes to reveal what's going on genetically. I just get the distinct feeling that it's not going to be easy to prove.

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