Quote Originally Posted by Stefan-A View Post
It's not true, by the way. Our newly acquired ability to measure the actual relationships between organisms has really shuffled the deck these last 10-15 years and now even single populations are getting reassigned to new subspecies.
I want to first apologize to Devon for taking this thread completely off course.

Stefan would the Upper Basin Garter, T. e. vascotanneri be an example of that? Do you happen to know if this is still a recognized sub? I know there are a lot of people that do not recognize it as a seperate sub but just a variation of the vagrans, there are others that don't even go that far and just lump it all into the Thanophis elegans elagans, (I.E. DWR in some of its publications).

-Thomas