New "Family" photos

[ConcinusMan]

Confused yet? No? then let me throw in yet another. Thamnophis sirtalis pickeringii. That's another one that is commonly sold as "Oregon Red Spotted Garter" when in reality, it's a Canadian pickeringii. Now that's something I never understood. Why is it that a blue puget sound garter is considered the same subspecies as this guy? Seems to me that it should be a different subspecies for obvious reasons.

Typical Blue phase puget (pickeringii) This is how they look in the south puget sound area. North of the canadian border, and in other areas, they look like the above picture.

[Hollis_Steed]

boy you're right...confusing! Beautful snakes all! Thanks for the pointers in getting this figured out.