Gravid female Eastern!!

[charles parenteau]

You can sex them the day they are born. If fact that will be the easiest day of their life to sex them via popping, it gets more difficult as they develope muscle tone, then you usually have to probe.

Congrats Charles! Do you think some will develope the solid black back like mom? I was wondering if any would be born like that, but it doens't look like it from what I could see from the pics.

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There is 2 babies without checkered on the background ....I expect few with the dark background ...
I will keep few of them try reproduce it...
BY experience I need to wait one or two shed to have better idea...show you better pictures soon!! tanks all

[Jeff B]

Yes that sounds very reasonable Charles, wait a couple sheds and see what you have, and then select your holdbacks for whatever trait you want to exploit and try to pass on and enhance through selective breeding. The nice thing is you have the numbers to work with that litter, so mathematically have a good chance to have at least one or two animals that will possess the desired phenotypical outcome.

[Jeff B]

OK at running the risk of highjacking this post which is about Charles flames babies (Congrats first and already asside) this sexing subject has already highjacked this post, so some enlightening seems to be in NEED.
Size can "sometimes" be right (OFTEN WRONG!!!), tail length, thickness, and proportion can MORE often be right, BUT POPPING BY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW MUCH PRESSURE, HOW TO ANGLE THE TAIL, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN INVERTED HEMIPENE AND FEMALE SCENT GLANDS, AND POPPING BY SOMEONE WHO HAS DONE SEVERAL HUNDRED VERSUS A COUPLE, AND SEVERAL DOUBLE CHECKS OF THE POPPING IS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY MORE ACCURATE AND VERY RARELY WRONG. Compared to guessing based on looking at the animal......well..... thats just GUESSING period
Don't try to undervalue popping by an experienced breeder, because it is a valuable aspect of purchasing an animal, confidence (or lack of) in sexing can be a deal maker or breaker. The value of a pair versus 2 males is significant. I have sold hundreds of babies which I sexed myself and I have not yet to date had a single customer say they got the wrong sex (knock on wood) and sure it will likely happen, nobody is perfect, but at least it won't be a common occurence, and thats because I take great pride, and put in a lot of time and effort in the quality assurance aspect of sexing, and yes that has value and is or should be worth something to the customer buying my animals.

[ConcinusMan]

I'm not undervaluing it, I just wanted to know why it was necessary and now I do!

[charles parenteau]

I rather popping than probe my snake espacially with my 10 thumbs...

[Jeff B]

I'm not undervaluing it, I just wanted to know why it was necessary and now I do!

Oh sorry Richard, I just realized that post might have come across as coming down on someone, that was not my intent, thats not how I operate, I was simple trying to be informative and educational, and state my case for the value of popping right after birth, sometimes I think maybe I come accross as being brash in writing, I'm actually a nice guy in person I guess if you asked my wife or friends they would say "no your not"

[Barak666]

So how does the cute little babies are doing?

[charles parenteau]

The best looking babies with alot of color don'nt want to eat by themself so this is not good for futur breeding selection I will see after the fisrt shed..
but the color begin to appear ton the other one ...
PIctures comming soon!!

[ssssnakeluvr]

I have on several occasions received "pairs" that weren't....it's kind of a bummer.