Scaleless garter

[ConcinusMan]

Now wait a minute, most of our albino morphs, Iowa, Nebraska, etc.. are not created by selective breeding. The trait is straight from nature. All we do is breed in favor of it. If nature sees fit to have them around, then how can it be a "defect"?

I'm pretty sure the scaleless snake is completely a product of gene combinations/mutations brought together by man. It's not like somebody found a scaleless snake one day and started breeding in favor of the trait. In fact, that's not even possible with scaleless snakes so I hear. No, it first appeared in captive collections so it does seem a bit unnatural.

Many species, including homo sapiens have albinos. It's not like we created albino garters. Unlike the scaleless snake, albino garters existed long before we started breeding them.

[Napta]

False, it was already found in nature scalesless perfectly viable. And the first born among Colubiasnakes scalesless Corn is not derived from desired selection. It is a random natural as well as the albino.

[GartersRock]

Now wait a minute, most of our albino morphs, Iowa, Nebraska, etc.. are not created by selective breeding. The trait is straight from nature. All we do is breed in favor of it. If nature sees fit to have them around, then how can it be a "defect"?

I'm pretty sure the scaleless snake is completely a product of gene combinations/mutations brought together by man. It's not like somebody found a scaleless snake one day and started breeding in favor of the trait. In fact, that's not even possible with scaleless snakes so I hear. No, it first appeared in captive collections so it does seem a bit unnatural.

Many species, including homo sapiens have albinos. It's not like we created albino garters. Unlike the scaleless snake, albino garters existed long before we started breeding them.

If it can suddenly exist in captivity it can exist in nature. It's not like we created the ability for the scaleless gene to appear.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Now wait a minute, most of our albino morphs, Iowa, Nebraska, etc.. are not created by selective breeding. The trait is straight from nature. All we do is breed in favor of it. If nature sees fit to have them around, then how can it be a "defect"?

I'm pretty sure the scaleless snake is completely a product of gene combinations/mutations brought together by man. It's not like somebody found a scaleless snake one day and started breeding in favor of the trait. In fact, that's not even possible with scaleless snakes so I hear. No, it first appeared in captive collections so it does seem a bit unnatural.

Many species, including homo sapiens have albinos. It's not like we created albino garters. Unlike the scaleless snake, albino garters existed long before we started breeding them.

You are wrong here....Scaleless snakes have been found in the wild and/or born from wild mothers on multiple occasions. Scaleless is not some "product" of humans... it is a naturally occuring genetic mutation just as albino. Instead of lacking the ability to produce melanin, these animals lack the ability to produce scales. Same exact idea, different chromosomes and genes. Somebody emailed me and brought up how a friend of his found a garter snake that was scaless in his own yard. Sadly the guy failed miserably at keeping garter snakes and killed his whole project. I was emailed photos ofthe WC animal, it had a few scales scattered over its naked body as scaleless snakes often do. I have like 10 email addresses though so digging it up seems a daunting task. But scaleless snakes have been found, just as albinos, and then people selectively breed for the trait.

Look at this here... this hatchling scaleless gopher was found in the wild and then studied:

http://compphys.bio.uci.edu/bennett/pubs/4.pdf