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[ConcinusMan]

Can we get bigger picture? the more I look at it, the more it looks like a valley garter but it's hard to tell. You know, the two can look very similar and their ranges are not far apart. Just 30 miles or so east of my location, you leave concinnus territory and run into T.s. fitchii's that look a lot like T.s. concinnus. Yours wouldn't be the first fitchii to be sold as a concinnus, that's for sure. I've even suspected some of them to by hybrids between the two.

T.s. fitchii in WA look like this, but again, it's red spots on a dark background. A lot of inexperienced people misrepresent or misidentify these as oregon red spotted garters, simply because they find them in Oregon.

[Hollis_Steed]

Can we get bigger picture? the more I look at it, the more it looks like a valley garter but it's hard to tell. You know, the two can look very similar and their ranges are not far apart. Just 30 miles or so east of my location, you leave concinnus territory and run into T.s. fitchii's that look a lot like T.s. concinnus. Yours wouldn't be the first fitchii to be sold as a concinnus, that's for sure. I've even suspected some of them to by hybrids between the two.

T.s. fitchii in WA look like this, but again, it's red spots on a dark background. A lot of inexperienced people misrepresent or misidentify these as oregon red spotted garters, simply because they find them in Oregon.

Sure looks alot like my T.s.fitchii

[GARTERKID]

Thanks for the info it is really hard to tell the diffrence and like i said im new to garters can you show me a pic of a oregon red spotted.SHe is an awesome snake very nice and calm when handled eats aggresivly on anything.