This is a 1st for me... never a reptile.

[ConcinusMan]

This is the best photo I can find on the web of a willamette valley variation of the "mountain garter". This photo is not really a good representation of the willamette valley "mountain garter". IMHO, the snakes found there are not mountain garters at all. They have a limited range and are morphologically different than mountain garters found elsewhere. I think they qualify as a subspecies of their own based on range and differences. Sorry I don't have a better pic. Like I said, limited range and not very many photos of them on the web. Heck, as long as people have known about the blue anery concinnus, (decades) have you ever really seen a picture of them anywhere until I uploaded them? No. No photos. Again, limited range and nobody bothered to upload photos of them.

I'm not being boastful. I'm just stating a fact. The Willamette Valley T. elegans is so different, and so limited in range, I challenge you to find more photos. They just aren't out there.

Oh, hey, I just notice in that link I posted about T. elegans' found in the Northwest...

"Notes: There are 3 distinct variations of this snake widely recognized in our area."

Well, there ya go.

[nomoreposs]

...Heck, as long as people have known about the blue anery concinnus, (decades) have you ever really seen a picture of them anywhere until I uploaded them? No. No photos. Again, limited range and nobody bothered to upload photos of them.

+1: ..considering the first Google search resulted in ur avatar lol: Field Herp Forum • View topic - prettiest snake